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Mortte
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Hawkwind is also really great, but it´s Floyd for me.
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Hawkwind had their moments, especially around the Space Ritual period - but Pink Floyd well ahead on this one.
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I did get a few of those ones. The one I liked better is the '71 one. Fat Old Sun, Embryo, and One of these Days are wonderful. Though it seems Gilmour's voice wasn't at it's best that night. Edited by Dellinger - May 14 2017 at 20:12 |
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I like both bands but I am definitely bigger into PF.
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I don't own it, but looking at the tracklist I can see that it's a must-have for me. The first album I ever bought was Pink Floyd's Works. It has a shortened version of it called "Embryo", which was a particular favourite of mine off Works. I have listened to "The Embryo" off the BBC release and it is fabulous. EDITED because I couldn't even put a coherent sentence together. Edited by Logan - May 14 2017 at 12:13 |
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Hawkwind this punk spase prog! Pink Floyd this more music interesting .
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Dean
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There is much to be admired from both bands so while I'll remain a Floyd fan and rabid defender to my dying day I'll not say anything against Brock and Hawkwind, (or Turner and Space Ritual come to that). If only I were a mere three or four years younger and could have seen both perform live in small venues in and around the Ladbroke Grove / Notting Hill area of London in the late 60s I'd be a very happy man. But alas I'll just have to be content with seeing Floyd before DSotM was released and Hawkwind with Captain Bob on vocals in far less intimate surroundings. Music aside, both bands put on spectacular shows that were pure entertainment.
I really don't get the X vs Y comparisons - while Hawkwind were compared to Floyd in the early days, Floyd had moved on from acid-fuelled Space Rock (not that they ever did that much of it in the first place) and out of the Ladbroke Grove underground scene months before Hawkwind formed so I suspect that the comparisons arose not because Hawkwind were particularly influenced by Floyd but because they stepped into the vacant space at just the right time. Despite Brock's busking cover of non-psych/non-space rock Cymbaline I don't see that much to compare them.
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Guldbamsen
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Speaking of those heady Floyd days do you own the BBC Archives release that spans the band's tinkering about in the studios anno 1970 and 71? Also features one of my fave pieces that never got to see the light on a studio album, The Embryo. Most of the BBC release continues in that lovely psychedelic soup that they by then had perfected right down to the t. |
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Every word you posted is the exact same for me. |
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It's a case of damned if you do damned if you don't. Had they continued in the footsteps of say Animals fans would have accused them of standing still - running on autopilot...but then they bring us The Wall which is completely new sonically and conceptually and as a consequence of that fans long for the old Floyd.
I want a sheep! Alright then here's a sheep. Nahh I don't want that! But you said you wanted sheep? Yeah but I meant mutton. Edited by Guldbamsen - May 13 2017 at 06:04 |
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I'm also a bit surprised of all the negativity about The Wall. It's not my favourite album, it may be a bit overambitious and at times the concept dominates the music, but it's something very original and unique and full of ideas. The band avoided standing still and pleasing their fans' expectations; they came up with something many people could connect to not because they tried to be commercial but because they had something relevant to say at the right time.
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Big fan of The Wall. First real experience with Floyd back when I was 9-10. I still know the lyrics and melodies by heart though these days I tend to reach for Ummagumma, Atom Heart Mother and More. Now I am a real Floyd fan (not a robot either) and I dig the early wild days as well as The Wall.
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Nobody even really knew what Pink Floyd looked like back in the seventies! Amon Duul and the more musical splinter were darker than Pink Floyd back in the late 60s. Then Amon Duul II got happier and Pink Floyd got darker. Hawkwind always remained "out there" , cynical and foreboding. On the other hand heir lyrics can even get playful and are fun to listen to. Calvert and Moorcock's oratories were always neat When The Wall came out I remember a lot of real Pink Floyd fans disliking it. I don't even think I ever bought it because everyone had it even though they disliked it. I remember borrowing a copy from a friend who hated it then it got passed on to another friend who couldn't wait to get his paws on it. It had a transparent sticker on the plastic wrap that everyone saved.
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Sorry, I meant that Floyd were one influence - Brock has cited Amon Duul in addition to Neu, Can, etc.
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Hawkwind were more influenced by Amon Düül 2. |
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Well said! Both bands emerged from the soup of creativity in the late 60s - Hawkwind were hugely influenced by the Floyd and both gradually emerged with triumphant leaders: Brock and Waters. It was only because Waters turned his back on the Floyd that allowed Gilmour to reconvene the band. Brock sacked his potential would-be rival (but allowed him back in for a bit in the early 80s) and took control of musical direction (after Astounding Sounds). Brock always allowed Hawkwind to absorb musical developments around them (punk, electronica, ambient, metal, even dance) whereas Floyd always drifted back to mainstream rock (a process more or less complete by The Wall). This openness kept Hawkwind interesting - and their constant touring always kept the special bond with the fans (Floyd fans have to make do with the various tribute acts...)
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But they are not mutually exclusive. However, liking the something for the wrong reason is perfectly acceptable whereas disliking something for the same reason is not. It's okay to like artisan craft chocolate because it's hip and trendy despite its bitter, grainy taste not quite living up to the hyped-up price ticket and hand-made packaging. All that distinguishes the artisan from the mass produced is marketing. Our local deli sells grissini bread sticks dipped in dark Belgian chocolate compared to the more popular Cadbury's Chocolate Fingers that are essentially the same thing in a different guise. I know which I'd prefer to have or give as a present but when it comes to having a chocolate coated biscuit to have with my afternoon tea I know I'll not be buying the product that is 850% more expensive. Rejecting the mass marketing of a popular product while espousing a similar but less popular product is still succumbing to the persuasive power of marketing. More people liking Cadbury's chocolate does not affect the quality of their product (selling the company to an American corporation who changed the recipe did that). Anyway, metaphors and analogies are great and all, (for entertainment purposes only), but music is not like chocolate and sometimes you just have to assess music as music and not as some neatly marketed package. Pink Floyd (or Yes, Genesis, Kansas, Tull, Marillion, Oldfield, Moodies or even Zappa) releasing music that has popular appeal does not (or at least should not) distract from everything else they did, nor should it be rejected outright simply because more people liked it than the smaller percentage of music lovers who once did. Frankly, anyone who argues against the quality of music is on a hiding to nothing. |
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Upbeat Tango Monday
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No. It's more like eating an average chocolate bar. I prefer many other brands, but I still indulge myself. It tastes ok, but it's really plain. Having a neat package and good TV ads help with sells, but being popular do not make it the best chocolate ever. Some like chocolate with mint, other guys prefer almonds, some eat high quality swiss chocolate...but a plain chocolate bar is safe as milk (Cap. Beefheart pun intended) and most will eat it from time to time. It's just not THE BEST THING EVER. Mass appeal and quality are different beasts. |
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