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    Posted: July 13 2017 at 02:58
Since the newly expanded Strawberry Bricks book has chosen 1982 as its cut-off point, I'm wondering what changed between those two years 1982 and 1983.
Discuss, again.

Edited by Stool Man - July 13 2017 at 02:58
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Well, I don't think that the chosen cut-off point necessarily implicates a notable change between '82 and '83.
I tend to think that the change was gradual, going on from year to year. One just has to choose the point somewhere, and the author may have chosen it due to his favourite albums of those years, and the amount of new work he was willing to put into it.
 
This is just my thought, and if someone else will find better answers, great!
 
 
P.S. For me this is an interesting question: I'm soon to release an updated edition of my first prog book, dealing with the years 1967-1979. The idea of pushing the time limit by a year or two for the new edition would have been nice, but instead there'll be a supplement that introduces further 300 artists very briefly.


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Progressive rock really died around '75. I really didn't hear anything tremendously innovative after that although there were a few good albums by some who refused to quit. Of course Marillion will come up on this thread but they really weren't doing anything new. I guess the author wanted to avoid any arguments over when prog really died.  If it wasn't over by 1975 then it was definitely ancient history by 1983. 
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In 1983 I've been called to military service. Maybe this? Big smile
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Originally posted by Kepler62 Kepler62 wrote:

Progressive rock really died around '75. I really didn't hear anything tremendously innovative after that although there were a few good albums by some who refused to quit. Of course Marillion will come up on this thread but they really weren't doing anything new. I guess the author wanted to avoid any arguments over when prog really died.  If it wasn't over by 1975 then it was definitely ancient history by 1983. 
I agree with you, though I would give 1977 as the date that things stoped growing, evolving and challenging the standards.
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Originally posted by Kepler62 Kepler62 wrote:

Progressive rock really died around '75. I really didn't hear anything tremendously innovative after that although there were a few good albums by some who refused to quit. Of course Marillion will come up on this thread but they really weren't doing anything new. I guess the author wanted to avoid any arguments over when prog really died.  If it wasn't over by 1975 then it was definitely ancient history by 1983. 

With bands like Big Big Train, Haken, Riverside and Lazuli (and many others) making phenomenal new prog, I think your opening statement is absolute, total hogwash. You just need to open your ears and mind.


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Originally posted by Kepler62 Kepler62 wrote:

Progressive rock really died around '75.

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Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Originally posted by Kepler62 Kepler62 wrote:

Progressive rock really died around '75. I really didn't hear anything tremendously innovative after that although there were a few good albums by some who refused to quit. Of course Marillion will come up on this thread but they really weren't doing anything new. I guess the author wanted to avoid any arguments over when prog really died.  If it wasn't over by 1975 then it was definitely ancient history by 1983. 


With bands like Big Big Train, Haken, Riverside and Lazuli (and many others) making phenomenal new prog, I think your opening statement is absolute, total hogwash. You just need to open your ears and mind.


You're probably asking too much of him.
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Fashion. Unlike what people like to think; just because a clock ticks from '79 - '80 or 99 to 00 (or more accurately here '00 to 01) does not mean too much social pop culture change. The changes have been decided but it takes time for the arbiters of society (fashion mags, ad agencies etc) to decide on what you should be doing to be a beautiful person.

1982 meant the height of new wave punk pop rock disco. 1983 means Madonna. It's all in the hairdos. Either '70s over-elaborate or punk short to Big hair, extensions, even more hairspray and shoulder pads. And even more so with women.


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Someone has to dust off their Rush discography!
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A thought that occurs is that 1983 is when Marillion hit the big time - though they were actively gigging in 1982 and put out Market Square Heroes then, it'd be Script For a Jester's Tear that really put them on the map. (Market Square Heroes floated about in the bottom reaches of the singles chart, Script hit number 7 in the album charts.) You could see 1983 as the point where a new generation of bands picked up the torch, and I suspect that to truly do the neo-prog scene justice would mean expanding the book even further.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote noni Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 20 2017 at 11:57
Prog never died but was never released to the media.  We lost our favourite music papers like Melody Maker and Sounds.   Then a great TV show Old Grey Whistle Test got cut...  Lots of my favourite bands came from this show...

Bands that started arounds the 80s apart from Marillion were Pendragon, Pallas, IQ, Twelfth Night, Galahad, Tangent and lots more.
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Great! Another prog is dead thread! Confused
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Originally posted by Stool Man Stool Man wrote:

Since the newly expanded Strawberry Bricks book has chosen 1982 as its cut-off point, I'm wondering what changed between those two years 1982 and 1983.
Discuss, again.


I partially proof-read (facts, mostly) Charles' book and if he had asked me to do so, it's because I had asked him a few years back to extend his timeline to the 80's and beyond.

I was more hoping for him to expand into RIO, as opposed to neo-prog , as the 80's are the THE decade for both genres.  But he did tell me that he wasn't sufficiently knowledgeable in those genres and therefore not confident enough to go beyond 81
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