S.Wilson: "Rap now is more innovative than Rock"

Thank god for page 2 and that blasted video / song stopped. What a relief.

Innovative. Phew 70s sci fi synth sounds. After that downhill in a big way. A one chord thrash with atonatlity thrown in. Then you get the non melody that is rap with it's tedious repetition.

I mean really... at least so many rock bands went out of their way to try to sound different, to exemplify and celebrate personal identity not crush an conform everyone in this ... mess.

Prefer Radiohead - at least the first half of Kid A.

Even the last Yes album (just for Steve Howe really btw).

Even the Sex Pistols.

Even Metal Machine Music.

None of which I own, nor intend to do so.

I prefer hearing Puff Daddy making a mess of Kashmir (though the Net Aid live version shows he's practiced his tune a bit and Page adds in a new bridge.

In short this innovative rap and hip hop is brainless unsophisticated garbage. I was watching a video of some of the most difficult (apparently) guitar music of recent years, Eric Johnson, Dream Theatre all sorts of good stuff all of which was really stunning. Spot of John Mclaughlin in another vid. Brilliant interpretation of some Coltrane.

This is music now. It is innovative, it is skilled, not just complex (bass syncopation in either the good music prog, rock, metal music and certainly hip hop is notable by its absence (makes me want to listen to Station To Station all the more. But give someone who wants to hear music something to listen to, not just some teenybop pop ugly music I am so angry at my prog loving parents type crap.

Wilson needs his head examined.

Innovative? Hahahahaha. I don't think so. If it is, I shudder to think what the roots might be like. (I already know, it's just a figure of speech). Grandmaster Flush and his Furious Five... the whole track stolen from Chic (Good Times) and is the figure head of hip hop. Hahahahaha (reprise). Yowsa yowsa yowsa. This sir, is a massive con perpetrated on a society socialized, conditioned into "thinking" that is "new = good" i.e. a way of distancing yourself from the boring old brigade. Trouble is it isn't, you haven't and you fall into the same old trap.

Good god above even that idiot Kanye West is trying to distance himself from rap and hip hop by calling himself a rock star.

FYA I heard him that time he nicked 21st CSM for his song and I fell about laughing. This was the big thing? Frank Spencer fronting Motorhead was the thought that came into my admittedly uncharitable mind.

This (above examples) is actually the same old old rubbish that has been peddled to the youth community since 1977. Usually by "hip" critix who really know where "it's" at man.

I have heard a good hip hop song once, nice tune, about summertime, melodious and all. Quite novel really so it's quite easy to remember even though it was about 20 years ago. About the time of Wake Up Boo.

Who cares what he thinks?

I'm thinking SWilson will find something redeeming in anything from Mel & Kim, to Pet Shop Boys to Bros. Good for him, I still admire the dude.

^  Last Poets, Gil Scott-Heron and Umar Bin Hassan rule 

uduwudu wrote: Phew 70s sci fi synth sounds. After that downhill in a big way. A one chord thrash with atonatlity thrown in. Then you get the non melody... with it's tedious repetition.

sounds like you hate Krautrock, drone and ambient too, amirite? Only RAAAAWK rocks your boat, got it

uduwudu wrote: makes me want to listen to Station To Station all the more

Bowie's best record, a brilliant kraut-funk with prog leanings. One might say if you enjoy it, you're a pretty open-mided person...but only in theory, as I see

Yep, let's not turn this thread into a I HATE HIP-HOP YOWSA YOWSA one

Someone said who cares what Wilson thinks.....that sounds right to me.

SteveG, there's no point in being mean, nobody's taking your sweet-sweet prog away from you. Feel free to avoid this thread if you have nothing else to add)

^ Good point, which is why the individuals in a band are so important and simply replacing a player here or there has a huge impact.

Prog-jester wrote: uduwudu wrote: Phew 70s sci fi synth sounds. After that downhill in a big way. A one chord thrash with atonatlity thrown in. Then you get the non melody... with it's tedious repetition. sounds like you hate Krautrock, drone and ambient too, amirite? Only RAAAAWK rocks your boat, got it Nyet. It's just this (turned out to be the highlught) was like a demo of nicely dated sounds. Then it went seriously downhill. Yeah, raawwwk. Got some Steely Dan playing. Why. For the piano, bass and drum work which is a real delight. uduwudu wrote: makes me want to listen to Station To Station all the more Bowie's best record, a brilliant kraut-funk with prog leanings. One might say if you enjoy it, you're a pretty open-mided person...but only in theory, as I see

I'm selective. Station is an awesome album. Just because someone says rap is innovative etc means absolutely noting until there is a base for comparison. Innovative? Doing what exactly? It's more deadly formulaic than the worse thrash.  It is designed to be ugly, offensive etc. In that regard it works very well. Still. It also is very disappointing. This sort of thing should have some grooves going. Only they never happened. Beyond the sampling of course.

Unless... we're not REALLY talking music but the thing people really blab about. Pop culture. If you get your kicks in identifying your tribe with this rap thing fine. But don't let it be confused with music.

Not to worry, I got over it with some real out dated music. Elgar's Cello Concerto. Aka, real music.