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    Posted: January 06 2018 at 13:22
Majority of Rush fans consider these two songs to be one of the worst Rush songs, but they don't give a clear explanation what's wrong with those songs. Why?

I think they are nothing special, but not bad either, I just don't get the hate. What you think?

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I like both.  First I've heard that Rush fans don't like them.  They just aren't amongst their best known songs.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Catcher10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 06 2018 at 14:04
The Rush catalog is huge, I am sure there are many songs not liked by fans and non fans. But I have never heard that these two songs lead the charge.

Now I Think I Am Going Bald......different story. But in the context of Rush and their humor, the song is fine.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Squonk19 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 06 2018 at 14:58
Surprised by this statement...... I always liked them - quiet, pastoral and providing contrasting light/shade to their more epic works. Hate seems a strong word for songs that settle well in their canon - but won't necessary make top 20 lists.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ForestFriend Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 06 2018 at 15:02
I've never noticed a lot of hate directed towards Madrigal, although I can see where the criticism for Rivendell comes from. At 5 minutes long, it's longer than most of the songs on the album, and nothing really happens. It feels like it could have ended about halfway through, and then they repeat the same 3 musical ideas again with very little change in intensity. It's not bad music, but it's pretty boring in my opinion. It's kind of like how people really hate More Fool Me - although at least MFM has some dynamic changes and only has 2 verses.

I don't see why someone would hate Madrigal; it's not the best song on the album, but at least it's short.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Manuel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 06 2018 at 15:48
I personally like both songs. I would not say they are among Rush best, but not bad at all.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Frenetic Zetetic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 07 2018 at 03:25
I've never heard any Rush fan really throw any particular song under the bus!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mortte Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 07 2018 at 03:48
I have never hated either of songs. Actuallu I think Madrigal is really great (there are no bad songs in Farewell, like there isnīt Hemispeheres too). Rivendell is maybe a little too long, but fits fine into Fly By Night.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote maryes Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 07 2018 at 04:47
I think that isn't the case of hate, simply this two tracks are  very different in relation to the other tracks in their respective albums
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tom Ozric Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 07 2018 at 04:54
I would say that they have incredible tracks before and after them. But that’s not to say that they are not liked as such.......
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mortte Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 07 2018 at 05:43
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

The Rush catalog is huge, I am sure there are many songs not liked by fans and non fans. But I have never heard that these two songs lead the charge.

Now I Think I Am Going Bald......different story. But in the context of Rush and their humor, the song is fine.
I agree. Anyway I didnīt skip also that song when listening Caress, although I think itīs the weakest song in Rush seventies albums.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tom Ozric Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 07 2018 at 05:53
^ Ha !! Caress Of Steel. My favourite Rush album, beginning to end
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BaldFriede Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 07 2018 at 07:14
Originally posted by TexasKing TexasKing wrote:

Majority of Rush fans consider these two songs to be one of the worst Rush songs, but they don't give a clear explanation what's wrong with those songs. Why?

I think they are nothing special, but not bad either, I just don't get the hate. What you think?

I wouldn't know; I dislike the band completely.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mortte Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 07 2018 at 11:02
Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

^ Ha !! Caress Of Steel. My favourite Rush album, beginning to end
Well, Caress is not my favourite, but I like it really much, specially Lakeside Park, Necromancer and Fountain. Hard to say, which is better, Fly By Night or Caress.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The.Crimson.King Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 07 2018 at 11:06
I always thought Madrigal was cool Wink
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tom Ozric Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 07 2018 at 22:09
Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

^ Ha !! Caress Of Steel. My favourite Rush album, beginning to end
Well, Caress is not my favourite, but I like it really much, specially Lakeside Park, Necromancer and Fountain. Hard to say, which is better, Fly By Night or Caress.
I’m not that excited with FBN, but Caress is great. Necromancer esp. part 1. My favourite piece of Rush music, period !
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Barbu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 07 2018 at 22:47
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by TexasKing TexasKing wrote:

Majority of Rush fans consider these two songs to be one of the worst
Rush songs, but they don't give a clear explanation what's wrong with
those songs. Why?



I think they are nothing special, but not bad either, I just don't get the hate. What you think?

I wouldn't know; I dislike the band completely.

Nothing new, most snobs do.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tom Ozric Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 07 2018 at 23:56
^ Hey !! Settle down Mart
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote someone_else Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 08 2018 at 02:59
I don't detect any particular dislike against either of these. They're fine, but not outstanding in a positive  or negative way.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BaldFriede Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 08 2018 at 03:40
Originally posted by Barbu Barbu wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by TexasKing TexasKing wrote:

Majority of Rush fans consider these two songs to be one of the worst
Rush songs, but they don't give a clear explanation what's wrong with
those songs. Why?



I think they are nothing special, but not bad either, I just don't get the hate. What you think?

I wouldn't know; I dislike the band completely.

Nothing new, most snobs do.

You don't have to be a snob to dislike them. Others dislike Magma or VdGG, I dislike Rush. That's it.


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