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Wanorak
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Posted: March 21 2018 at 16:23 |
Starless.
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Dellinger
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Posted: March 21 2018 at 18:16 |
Echoes by a hair. I really love both songs and it's difficult to choose among them.
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Dellinger
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Posted: March 21 2018 at 18:19 |
The.Crimson.King wrote:
Tough choice...Echoes is cool, though the spacey middle section bores me a bit. Starless is not one of my fave 70's Crimson songs...though I love the live versions on The Road to Red much more than the studio version. Live, instead of the sax solo at the end, Fripp shreds like a maniac so I'll give the vote to Starless | I also love Starless much more live. The guitar at the end indeed sounds more powerful, and the intro with violin for me also works better than the guitar... since I actually heard the live versions first, for me that intro was made to be played with violin (and actually, that might just as well be the case, since the song was written and first performed live, while Cross was still with the band). However, out of the versions I have heard, the one I love most is the one on Collectable King Crimson Vol 1, CD1 (Live in Mainz). I would need to hear that Road to Red version you say. Is it only one? Or are there several versions and you just like them better in general?
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Logan
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Posted: March 21 2018 at 18:23 |
Have loved both, but Starless has the edge. Echoes can test my patience a bit, and this is coming from a guy who loves the likes of albums such as Tangerine Dream's Zeit and various electronic and otherwise meditations.
Edited by Logan - March 21 2018 at 18:24
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dr wu23
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Posted: March 21 2018 at 19:45 |
^I used to get impatient with the ambient middle part in Echoes....and sometimes moved the needle ahead. I haven't played that track in several years......need to revisit it before bed one night.
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Dellinger
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Posted: March 21 2018 at 21:43 |
^ Oh no, Echoes is not a song to go to bed with... it's a song to wake up to. Remember the lyrics? "Cloudless every day you fall Upon my waking eyes Inviting and inciting my to rise... etc, etc."
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ProgMetaller2112
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Posted: March 21 2018 at 22:55 |
dr wu23 wrote:
Starless......not wise to vote against the mighty Crim......bad things have been known to happen. ;)And I have always felt that Echoes was a bit too long for it's own good. |
*Cough cough*
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maryes
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Posted: March 22 2018 at 04:21 |
Another tight dispute ! Starless by a hair !
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Enchant X
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Posted: March 22 2018 at 04:40 |
This poll is to me all about the mood I'm in and the company I am in, they are just mind blowing compositions in prog in my opinion but I can't say I`m always in the mood for both, when I am I`m really swept up in them. I went with Starless with an even respect for Echoes.
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fredyair
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Posted: March 22 2018 at 07:32 |
No matter what other song you put Echoes wins hands down.
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Posted: March 22 2018 at 08:10 |
There was this exact poll on RYM just the other week.
I said: "Echoes can drag a bit, Starless never drags."
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dr wu23
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Posted: March 22 2018 at 09:36 |
Dellinger wrote:
^ Oh no, Echoes is not a song to go to bed with... it's a song to wake up to. Remember the lyrics? "Cloudless every day you fall Upon my waking eyes Inviting and inciting my to rise... etc, etc." |
Yes....forgot about the lyrics but at college when it came out we would play that track last after 'smoking' and then fall asleep soon.
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Blacksword
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Posted: March 22 2018 at 12:05 |
Echoes is great when you're stoned, but Starless is great all the time.
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Man With Hat
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Posted: March 22 2018 at 15:07 |
Starless
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Posted: March 22 2018 at 20:25 |
starless by far, and it's not probably not in my top 10 KC songs (hmm said the same thing about Schizoid a few polls over - better check that list )
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Posted: March 22 2018 at 20:35 |
a rare KC vote here for Starless... for sentimental reasons...
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Posted: March 22 2018 at 23:45 |
Echoes has been of course a great Floyd piece to me always, but not ever as great as it seems to be many here. When I started listen Floyd, the whole Dark side went over it. Many Floyd listening years Atom Heart rose over it, also older material. Like somebodies here I don´t think it´s just trippy jampiece, as far as I know it was their first piece they started to play same way all the time (never heard any different versions of it, like there is from Atom Heart, Set the Controls, Embryo etc.).
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Dellinger
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Posted: March 23 2018 at 13:52 |
^ Well, it was long enough that there wasn't much to improvise on it, nor did they have to make arrangements because of the lack of an orchestra from the original version. Still, often the guitar solos are played with more energy on the live versions... but the comeback part after the screeching guitars... they just never got it right again... and for some reason, Wright never played (as far as I have heard) that beautiful keyboard part again... perhaps my favourite moment from him and he just didn't do it again live, he just played some much less melodic keyboard parts.
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Posted: March 23 2018 at 21:49 |
Echoes
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Upbeat Tango Monday
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Posted: March 23 2018 at 23:24 |
Starless
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Two random guys agreed to shake hands. Just Because. They felt like it, you know. It was an agreement of sorts...a random agreement.
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