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I accompanied my wife to a Lionel Ritchie concert....it was awful...
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^ Technical and cerebral....you are going to get labelled a prog-snob if you're not carefull
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

^ I made that statement primarily because it seems more women are into dance music, top forty pop and going dancing in general. 
 
That was my main theory, but I got told by the few women that like prog and post here that this kind of thinking is sexist, so I kind of dropped it.
 
but attendance stats  (whether at Prog concerts or a Boys/Girls band or Diva concerts) can also prove some things.
 
And indeed, I'd say that half the women at prog concerts only come to accompany their BF or husband... They'd never come by themselves. Just like most men (let's say 75 of them) at BB/GB concerts probably accompany their daughters to the concert 
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So, you're saying that it's a matter of social conditioning?
 
Girls are conditioned from a young age against the sort of music on this site (more technical and cerebral) and towards more popular and emotional, dance based music?
 
Therefore, in later life, women tend to view our type of music as cold and emotionless (although my most emotional experiences in music have been with prog) and they turn away from it?
 
I think it's a good theory
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^ I made that statement primarily because it seems more women are into dance music, top forty pop and going dancing in general. 
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^ Not so sure about more men than women liking rock-based music.   It may be more that many men tend toward constantly exploring complicated new things, and many women prefer to find a few things they really like and explore them within those confines.

Though that's probably utter rubbish.
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While the male and female brains are different and respond differently to different things I think in the case of prog(and music in general)it's more about what you grew up with and what you are used to. There are certainly plenty of women out there who like prog/progressive music(maybe not nearly as many as men but they are definitely out there). I think men are just more likely to discover and get into prog because men in general tend to like more rock based music(even though much prog has a lot more than just rock going on in it). If a woman is already a fan of Pink Floyd, Rush or even some metal(not to mention Yes or early Genesis)she's much more likely to appreciate our beloved genre. Anyway, that's my two cents. I'm not married so maybe I have no place to comment but that's my opinion anyway. 

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Really enjoying this thread and some of the amusing responses!
 
It's always intrigued me why prog seems to appeal, with exceptions, more to males than to females.  Is there any theory on the reason why?
 
My partner dislikes prog of any kind, and I get told to turn it off when she's around.
 
She does come to prog rock concerts with me, but she always wears ear plugs, and she makes a point of telling everyone that she's never listened to anything by the band, to the point that I thought she might get lynched at a Yes concert.
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Hi,

Girlfriend I had during UCSB days, liked Talking Heads and Rickie Lee Jones. I had not warmed up to those at that time, being so heavily into the European stuff, but I thought that RLJ was exceptional, and I ended up keeping up with it for a couple more albums that were excellent. And then she ... went "popular", instead of sticking to her independent style ... I haven't bothered since. TH is still very nice to listen to, and a fairly good band all around. 

My girlfriend was into dance big time, and tough music did not bother her, and she once said that she could dance to some of the weird stuff I had, if she got to know it better. I, honestly, have not met another woman that talked about music like that since.
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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Is neo prog defined by whiny vocal style? Or is that a sub genre?
Both maybe?
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Anyway if we have two groups. 1. Prog XX approved and 2. Prog XX incompatible..A release cannot logically be in both of these. THUS if GG nd FZ are placed in group 1. By a wife unit...The wife unit may soon be gender confused and may desire a stickadicktomy...
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Is neo prog defined by whiny vocal style? Or is that a sub genre?
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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

she also really dislikes the whiny neo-prog styled singing (ala Hogarth)
I like her.
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Although loving' all kinds of jazz (sans full free blowouts) from Bill Evans to Bobby Hutcherson & Eric Dolphy etc... + Motorik/Space/Krautrock, electronic stuff and post rock in the Tortoise/Talk Talk kind of department - she detests all complex "Nerd prog". I already knew that when I tried Gentle Giant's "Schooldays"... silly me thought it could work as its got a lot of nice jazzy vibes - but to her it's just corny and emotionless geek-music. I think Gentle Giant and the likes is her kryptonite. Early pastoral italian (PFM, Orme, Celeste...), UK-progfolk with dreamy flute and some Canterbury normally gets a pass too. But with the exception of selected King Crimson-tunes (69-74) anything theatrical or pompous also makes her cringe. But hey she digs Rainbow's Stargazer so there's that.

Actually she might very well have better tastes than me.    
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anything remotely free-jazz annoys my GF (anything too shrieky, actually), but she's learned to like (or tolerate) a lot of what I listen to.
 
 
I guess I'm a good trainer/teacher Cool
 
she also really dislikes the whiny neo-prog styled singing (ala Hogarth)
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Riverside's "Loose Heart".

The "raise me up, don't let me fall" bit.

Can't understand why, given that I listen to Opeth, Death and other bands significantly more brutal than Riverside.

But I heard her complain more than once while listening to that particular song
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Originally posted by Rednight Rednight wrote:

All of it, I'm afraid. About twice a year, she threatens to box up the collection and put it out on the curb.
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All of it, I'm afraid. About twice a year, she threatens to box up the collection and put it out on the curb.
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I had to choose between getting married or listening to as music as humanly possible.
I'm very happily single! (and therefore no one to interfere with my mission) LOL

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Originally posted by Jeffro Jeffro wrote:

My wife is annoyed by any songs that begin with or have extended instrumental parts. I put on Hemispheres by Rush one time and she asked me, "does anyone sing in this song?" LOL


Yea, this seems to be a common theme in the rift between men & women regarding prog rock. ( My wife included)  Many ladies do seen to like the instrumental section of songs for some reason. 
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