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BaldFriede
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Posted: April 14 2019 at 17:50 |
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This is supposed to be a thread about common prog beliefs that are dead wrong. I will give an example: The
solo at the end of "A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers" from the album
"Pawn Hearts" by Van der Graaf Generator is played by Robert Fripp on
guitar. Wrong, it is played by Hugh Banton on organ who does a down
to a T imitation of Robert Fripp, in style as well as in sound. Fripp
does of course appear on the album, but he does not play that solo.
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presdoug
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A somewhat common misconception is that Germany's Triumvirat are basically just a copy of ELP.
This is utter nonsense, when you intently listen to T'rat's music, you discover that they are a group in their own right, unique, really, in the overall atmosphere or "vibe" they create with their music. Structurally, as well, they do many things their own way.
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I have Illusions On A Double Dimple, Spartacus, The School Of Instant Pain in the Krautrock: Music For Your Brain box sets. I’m not mad keen on them (or ELP) but they never struck me as ELP copyists. |
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Manuel
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"Shine On You Crazy Diamond" was sung not sung by Roger Waters, but by Roy Harper, a decition that Roger Waters later regretted.
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^ Hats Off to Roy Harper anyway ~ |
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Atavachron
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Steve Howe had a small penis. False, and was one of the most well-endowed people in prog. |
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siLLy puPPy
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bender99
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Pretty sure Roy sang the lead vocals on Have A Cigar, not Shine on...
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Neu!mann
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But Waters did sing Shine On... I believe you're thinking of Have A Cigar?
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Odvin Draoi
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"Prog is a superior genre as it is more sophisticated and complicated"
This is true to a great degree (except for the superiority notion), yet composing a simple and effective song is just as valuable. |
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Manuel
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I also heard it's Have a cigar, wikipedia says it's Shine on.
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Manuel
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And another fact quite unknown is that , though Ian Anderson wrote the lyrics and main riff of Tull's music, it was Martin Barre who wrote the rest of the music, but was never credited for it.
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Blacksword
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Correct, and 'legend' has it that the main reason Harper sung on Cigar is because Waters had knackered his voice, giving it everything on SOYCD. |
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siLLy puPPy
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moshkito
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Which, in many ways ... is just as well ... I think that Roy would have added a more cynic rendition of the words and make this a bit weirder and off kilter, and I think that Roger singing it makes it softer and not so harsh. I doubt that Roy would have devoted that much time to PF ... considering that he even turned down touring with them more than once ... and likely because he didn't like the fan-boy atmosphere for all PF concerts since DSOTM ... and if Roy would do an acoustic set to open the show, every tomato and prairie patties in the neighborhood would find their way to him ... the respect found, by a PF audience in those days was ridiculous, right down a few years later when the fans even fought for a piece of the pig at the Anaheim Stadium! Hats off is just about right ... he was not interested in somebody's circus!
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moshkito
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IF "prog/progressive" is just a song, might as well close down this discussion, the website and the idea of "progressive" anything and call it just bullsh*t!
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HackettFan
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Hey Mosh! We agree. Prog is sophisticated AND it is complicated and THEREFORE, from my frame of reference, it is superior. I have not been in a position to validate any other frame of reference.
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MortSahlFan
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Roger sang "Shine On You Crazy Diamond".
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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How would you know?
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Manuel
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Yes, I read the wikipedia statement wrong.
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