The future of PA

lazland wrote: The Dark Elf wrote: moshkito wrote: I get complaints that a lot of folks don't like long responses, and will not read them ... tell you what ... YOU'RE SUGGESTING THAT ALL THE LONG CUTS WE LOVE ARE TOO LONG AND YOU WON'T LISTEN TO THEM? ... something is missing in that equation! The fact that hypocrisy is more apparent than music understanding and appreciation? Or comments explaining what they are saying? Like the music didn't do the same thing? If you were in a prog rock band, it would be called "Palaverous Drivel", and your one and only failed album would be entitled: This Album Has No Hits Because We As Artists Have Gone Out Of Our Way To Totally Alienate Whatever Fan-base We Thought We Had By Composing A Mind-Numbing And Endless Stream-of-Consciousness Reiteration -- A Recapitulation, As It Were -- Of The Same Bloated, Opinionated Blather, Accompanied By An Ensemble of Kleenex-Over-Comb, Kitchen Pots And Pans, And Rubber Bands.... But This Is Not a Parody, We are Totally Serious In Our Pompous And Overblown Opinions As We Have Repeatedly Stated, Over And Over, Like The Tide On A 1969 California Seaside Evening, With the Faint Scent of Patchouli Oil Caressing The Breeze -- And Like An Ingmar Bergman Film, I Am Playing Chess On The Beach With The Grim Reaper, Who I Am Boring To Death I suggested that for Symphonic five years ago, but Ivan turned it down. Mind you, it was cleared within 24 hours...

Well since I just started being more active recently I hope the forums can stay up for a while - def. the main site since it's such a great resource!

lazland wrote:   I suggested that for Symphonic five years ago, but Ivan turned it down. Mind you, it was cleared within 24 hours...

AFlowerKingCrimson wrote: I remember when the site would say something like "100,000" visitors a day. It seems like it had more visitors then(10-15 years ago)then it does now. Are prog fans jumping ship and getting into dance pop and hip hop or something?

As said, various social media sites have had an effect on sites and forums such as this, but sites such as RateYourMusic and Reddit are going very strong -- it helps that they are not so niche. PA does get new bands added that have not yet been added to RYM, partially because we have had some very dedicated suggesters who trawl bandcamp for new releases.

I like this forum because I've been a long-time member here and like members here, but for searching for albums, I find the RateYourMusic site better for my needs. This is because I don't limit my listening to Prog, and because they use multi-tagging for albums, have more genres, I find the search albums and charts features better, and they have many great lists posted. I haven't posted there, but it's an awesome resource. Similarly, I haven't posted at Reddit but enjoy reading various threads, and have used it to discover various things -- from great crime and cult podcasts to discovering new to-me tv shows. There is such variety.

To keep growing ones membership, it helps to always be evolving and expanding (and not just by adding new obscure bands that may be of dubious quality and few would be interested in). A complaint has been that this site has stagnated in some aspects.

Edited by Logan - August 25 2019 at 19:33

cstack3 wrote: lazland wrote:   I suggested that for Symphonic five years ago, but Ivan turned it down. Mind you, it was cleared within 24 hours... Hullo, Steve!  Any truth to the rumor that our Mr. Trump is seeking to buy Wales from the UK?  PM Boris Johnson may just sell it!   Cardiff, here I come!!  Cheers, Charles!

Hey there, Charles.

Boris would sell his gramdmother's soul for a trade deal with Mr Trumpalot. The locals are manning the barricades as we speak

The old invite for a drink should you ever visit still stands, my friend.

Sean Trane wrote: Logan wrote: As said, various social media sites have had an effect on sites and forums such as this, but sites such as RateYourMusic and Reddit are going very strong -- it helps that they are not so niche. PA does get new bands added that have not yet been added to RYM, partially because we have had some very dedicated suggesters who trawl bandcamp for new releases. I like this forum because I've been a long-time member here and like members here, but for searching for albums, I find the RateYourMusic site better for my needs. This is because I don't limit my listening to Prog, and because they use multi-tagging for albums, have more genres, I find the search albums and charts features better, and they have many great lists posted. I haven't posted there, but it's an awesome resource. Similarly, I haven't posted at Reddit but enjoy reading various threads, and have used it to discover various things -- from great crime and cult podcasts to discovering new to-me tv shows. There is such variety. To keep growing ones membership, it helps to always be evolving and expanding (and not just by adding new obscure bands that may be of dubious quality and few would be interested in). A complaint has been that this site has stagnated in some aspects. What's Reddit (sounds like a book site)? Yeah, one of the easest facility of RYM is that you can navigate chronologically from album to album without going backwards (babd's home page). It's something PA was also able to do (even better, you didn't have to go chronologically), but M@X took that down because it was slowing the page loading....Understantadbly too, since all of the albums were listed on the right side of the screen once you were an a particular album. The other good RYM thing is that you can navigate on the different reissues of an album in RYM, but Discogs is much more trustworthy But I find their forum rather uneasy and difficult to permeate.

Reddit does indeed sound like book site as the name does indeed derive from "read it", which is better than "red'em" which could involve violence and gore.

It's a social media news site and forum. An urban dictionary definition is "A liberal atheist's nocturnal emission." and another claims "Reddit (/ˈrɛdɪt/): A large collection of douche bags and dick heads who drastically suffer from the Dunning-Kruger effect and posses a severe superiority complex, although the majority are ignorant losers and idiots." See: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=reddit

I'm a Philip K. Dickhead, so I should fit right in.

A more serious one is "Reddit is a social news website and forum where content is socially curated and promoted by site members through voting. The site name is a play on the words 'I read it.'" https://searchcio.techtarget.com/definition/Reddit

It has a huge number of what they call subreddits, which are subcommunities with topics on all manner of things. It's a giant in the online fora world and has been associated with various controversies (not as controversial with chan ones such as 4chan and 8chan, I would think).

I discover topics of interest there through google searches, much like with Quora (Quora is a fine resource, but different again).

With rateyourmusic, I haven't got used to the forum, and like with Reddit, I come across stuff there, such as lists by users, mostly via google searches. I find it to be good site, using the custom chart, to discover albums of interest to me. I do like having album tagging, and multi-tagging, rather than just having every album by an act listed just under one master artist category. Someone might complain that I search for specific albums, rather than considering the whole oeuvre, but I may be interested in an artist's forays into psychedelic folk music and not be so interested in that same artists foray into nu metal rap.

I also find discogs more trustworthy, and when I have added albums to PA and done research on an artist's addition, that has been a more important resource for me than RYM.

siLLy puPPy wrote: AFlowerKingCrimson wrote: I remember when the site would say something like "100,000" visitors a day. It seems like it had more visitors then(10-15 years ago)then it does now. Are prog fans jumping ship and getting into dance pop and hip hop or something? I would say that newer crowds just don't limit themselves to prog. RYM is hugely popular and growing every day and there are more ratings for any given prog album there than there are here, however we do have a lot of newer bands here that aren't on RYM so PA is very much a unique niche market that's relevant. And yeah, even hardcore proggers such as myself are into hip hop, metal, indie pop, Tuvan throat music, well.... you name it!

Logan wrote: ^^ I'm a believer in living in the moment, planning for the future, and learning from the past. I've told people before, if a thread bothers one, consider ignoring it, and avoid bumping it as that is likely to just generate more interest in a topic (we don't all have to have to share the same interests or the same perspectives). If it violates site rules, or ones thinks it's detrimental to the site, then consider reporting it. What bothers me is sanctimonious drivel, mostly when it comes from me.

 

moshkito wrote: I get complaints that a lot of folks don't like long responses, and will not read them