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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

I get complaints that a lot of folks don't like long responses, and will not read them
 
It's not just the length, it's the mostly impenetrable content.

Well, you know ... reading Faulkner is not the same as Hemingway, or Stephen King. 

The same for music ... one should/could make room for different perspectives and work ... and the only think that is incoherent for me is ... that these comments make it look like I do this on purpose ... I don't. I merely try to explain myself, rather than one word posts that you folks take seriously, and the person behind it (likely) doesn't care ... it's just a favorite.

IF, you don't elevate the music and its value ... it's nothing more than a "hit" song ... great accomplishment ... there are hundreds of thousands of those compared to "progressive music".

For my seeing, you just have to define yourself better and stronger ... one music is no less/more impenetrable than another ... YOUR (and others) EARS ARE!
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The difference being that Hemingway and King wrote comprehensible books. ;-)

Huge post = no problem so long as it stays on track and makes a point, Mosh. You've got some great experience, but, honestly, sometimes less is more. 

Mind you, this is me talking. ;-)

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Give me half an hour and a pad and a pencil and I could come up with some new ideas for PA. 

However. If someone here starts a thread, "How can PA be improved", perhaps that'd be better rather than me wittering on and boring you all. Any takers ? 

And then some of those ideas have to be implemented, or it's a sure sign that the site will eventually gurgle down the plughole of indifference. 

What new stuff would be good ?
What can be "retired" from the site ? (Apart from me. ;-) ) 

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Originally posted by Davesax1965 Davesax1965 wrote:

Give me half an hour and a pad and a pencil and I could come up with some new ideas for PA. 

However. If someone here starts a thread, "How can PA be improved", perhaps that'd be better rather than me wittering on and boring you all. Any takers ? 

And then some of those ideas have to be implemented, or it's a sure sign that the site will eventually gurgle down the plughole of indifference. 

What new stuff would be good ?
What can be "retired" from the site ? (Apart from me. ;-) ) 
 
The problem will be if we need M@x to make any substantial changes and he doesn't seem to be around much.
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Originally posted by Davesax1965 Davesax1965 wrote:

Give me half an hour and a pad and a pencil and I could come up with some new ideas for PA. 

However. If someone here starts a thread, "How can PA be improved", perhaps that'd be better rather than me wittering on and boring you all. Any takers ? 

And then some of those ideas have to be implemented, or it's a sure sign that the site will eventually gurgle down the plughole of indifference. 

What new stuff would be good ?
What can be "retired" from the site ? (Apart from me. ;-) ) 
There is already a "Help us improve the site" sub-forum and almost nothing of what has been suggested has been seriously taken into account. Nothing to do when the site owner shows no interest whatsoever.
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Well, speaks volumes, doesn't it ? ;-)

I used to be a member of another music forum, left a few years ago. Out of interest, I went back and it's the same handful of people posting much the same stuff as the forum withers around them. Only force of habit makes them come back, I suppose. They must have high boredom thresholds. 

I've set up a couple of forums before (admittedly in the past) - it's quite easy to do. But, of course, all you're doing is adding to the pot of "prog rock forums" and therefore spreading a limited number of potential users even thinner. So perhaps the question is, given the amount of social media sites and alternative websites out there, does the internet really need a prog rock forum ? 

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Originally posted by Davesax1965 Davesax1965 wrote:

Well, speaks volumes, doesn't it ? ;-)
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So perhaps the question is, given the amount of social media sites and alternative websites out there, does the internet really need a prog rock forum ? 

Well, that's like asking ... do we need another car idea/model/company? Do we need another Political Party in America to break the roadblock by this 2 party dictatorship? Do we need more "fans" (... now that is a question and then some!)? 

My only concern is that PA has stopped developing what they have and cleaning it up ... WIKI does that a lot better now, and PA is going to lose its importance and value, more and more ... they should have all the information that is at WIKI ... on all the bands we have here, but there is no interest in organizing anything and then presenting it in a "progressive" manner.

I doubt that M@x is the problem ... I would think that there are some other folks with him that are also an issue, but the time it takes to do just about anything NOW, is ridiculous, not to mention that no one agrees on anything ... so what's left? 

Ex: My VW Type 2 Bus died and went to heaven ... you know why? The great carburetors they came with were no longer being made, and Mexico stopped doing them (the 1800 Porsche engine) ... and replacing it with a Weber, the damn things were so cheap, without a choke even ... that it was not a wise replacement. The internal oil leak (off the filter area) was fix'able ... but instead, the van takes a dump!

Same here ... the need to "repair" is long gone and its time has lost its appeal, in favor of a new car, or newer replacement ... and I doubt that the website can now take all its information and improve on it ... and completely ignore all other quotes and everything else available that would render about half of the content here on many bands, completely ridiculous, and should be removed!

But it won't when so many "admins" are not folks that can look at a concept ... they only like songs and have favorite bands ... they couldn't careless for a concept or an "art" scene/piece.
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

I am a newbie on this site and I have come to the conclusion that most forum members like prog from 50 years ago more than current prog bands. Most discussions/threads are about Yes, King Crimson, Genesis, Pink Floyd, much more than newer bands. That’s ok… I guess.

 

 

I like Prog-Rock from the early 1970's too, including those four classic Prog bands you mentioned, but I also like several modern Prog bands too, including Astra. Magenta, Mostly Autumn & Porcupine Tree, amongst others. 

 
 
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Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

It used to be MUCH MUCH MORE FUN around here. Now it's rather tame..

It was the same thing on various fido/usenet threads about progressive music ... there were many good posts and in the middle also a lot of trash and then ... of course, the viagra posts, and then the government of somewhere wanting you to invest in their gold, and then ... someone posted a top ten from variety that was 10 years old ... and everyone laughed ... nothing has really changed!

The only thing I would point out, is that we are not looking at music history ... and how many cycles and periods ended up being remembered and are listed in music history.

My concern is that the 20th century is over loaded right now ... with the modernistic thing (Stravinsky), the minimalist thing, then blues, then jazz and then electronic, and then progressive ... and I'm not sure that all of these will be listed in the history of music ... we know that the modernistic and minimalist are already there, but the good bet is that jazz will get there next ... and progressive has a chance, specially as it has been appreciated for 50 years, and is likely to be appreciated for a lot longer. BUT, for that to happen we have to stop talking about it as just another top ten song ... something that more than half the folks here are not willing (or capable?) of doing! 

If we can't elevate it ... why bother ... just kill it then!
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The best or at least Classic names in Jazz is more talked about today, than those 1000's of new Jazz bands, why should it be different with Prog.  
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Originally posted by tamijo_II tamijo_II wrote:

The best or at least Classic names in Jazz is more talked about today, than those 1000's of new Jazz bands, why should it be different with Prog.  

Because true prog fans get tired of talking about Yes, Genesis and Pink Floyd etc over and over and over again. At some point you have to move on. I can understand if you aren't much of a prog band but if you are then you know more than just the obvious bands. For example, my brother isn't much of a prog fan at all so when he talks to me about any prog bands it's always either Yes or Genesis or some other mainstream prog band(maybe King Crimson but they would be the most obscure). I get that though because he's really not into the genre but for those of us on this site I would expect more.


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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by tamijo_II tamijo_II wrote:

The best or at least Classic names in Jazz is more talked about today, than those 1000's of new Jazz bands, why should it be different with Prog.  

Because true prog fans get tired of talking about Yes, Genesis and Pink Floyd etc over and over and over again. At some point you have to move on. I can understand if you aren't much of a prog band but if you are then you know more than just the obvious bands. For example, my brother isn't much of a prog fan at all so when he talks to me about any prog bands it's always either Yes or Genesis or some other mainstream prog band(maybe King Crimson but they would be the most obscure). I get that though because he's really not into the genre but for those of us on this site I would expect more.

Ya I realize that, but it is just that if you write something about "5bridgeS" it is likely that <5% know about them and you will get little response, but if write something about Tull, everyone will have an opinion and that is just a fact that we can't change.     
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