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moshkito
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With all due respect, I'm even suspect of the Surrealism Manifesto ... I'm opposed to "being told" ... what has to be done, and should be done, and specially so by a commercial/industrial society whose folks know of nothing else, and many times do not understand the role of the artist in the 20th century... SPECIALLY IN EUROPE ... which is being ignored and forgotten. Many of those "manifestos" are just publicity seeking articles! And trying hard to subvert and confuse people's ideas!
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rogerthat
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Pedro, almost every day, collabs add bands you have likely never heard about. I say this confidently because they are new bands and not your pet obscure favourites from the 1970s. They get added and afterwards, there's radio silence about the bands while the next set of bands to be added arrives. So you are as guilty of this top 10 phenomenon as those whom you frequently accuse of it. You have your priorities and lots of bands don't fit into them. And this goes for everyone. Life is short and there's too much music. You can't force people to pay attention to the bands you would like to see discussion over. And what will make that even more unlikely is you utilising every opportunity to lambast the board and its collaborators for so called top 10 syndrome.
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Frenetic Zetetic
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Is this thread even progressive?!
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Davesax1965
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What ruins forums is not when admins supposedly steer discussions in a way they'd like them to go, but when someone with far too much time on their hands spends it bombarding a forum with their own opinion, ignoring everyone else and shouting them down.
There is one thing in defending a point. There is another thing in aggressively stating a point (in the most obscure, unreadable and bizarre manner) repeatedly whilst feeling quite free to attack anyone with a contrary position - as if it's an assumed right. Bad manners at best. Trolling at worst. |
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Frenetic Zetetic
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I assume you're talking about Moshkito here?
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Davesax1965
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Nope, he's not heard of the Surrealist Manifesto, nor did he read the Wiki article. ;-) |
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Davesax1965
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Sadly, yes. Mosh, can I please - nicely - ask a favour ? This is on a gentleman to gentleman level here. Can you please think about "manners" before you go off on long, rambling "I-am-right" posts ? Could you please be quietly right, as you're being so right so often and for so long that other people don't get the chance to be right as well. It really, really irritates them. You're being so right that it's wrong. |
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Guldbamsen
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You too my friend - been far too long:) As per usual you have a way of expanding on my posts so as they take on a far more succinct meaning. Thanks man. Eh..thinking about all this also leaves a rather foul taste in my mouth as I too have been guilty of drawing lines in the sand between different styles of music so as to put my own tastes up on a plinth...yet music has no real endemic value - if it had we surely wouldn’t be the only animals to enjoy it. Every time we’d listen to music with open windows it’d turn into a jolly old scene off the old Snow White tale. Listen, enjoy and love the music - be that polka, pork or the odd top ten hit that reminds you of your first kiss under the white light of the moon. Music is in enough trouble as it is - no need to dream up nonsensical opponents out of other forms of music. That is downright stupid imho and perhaps the biggest threat to new and exciting music. |
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Lewian
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That wouldn't be a big issue without those who feed him... the power to ignore, anyone? In my view Mosh writes really valuable things once in a while or even maybe more often. Also there's his other stuff lambasting 95% of the world with special mention of PA contributors and collabs and I agree that that's not on, but this has been challenged often enough to know that he won't change. As long as he is not banned or censored (I am happy that he isn't) we have to put up with it. It's tiresome and annoying but being offended all the time must be quite tiresome as well...
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moshkito
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Hi,
Final comment. I'm not trying to take down the board, and make PA look bad ... I'm only saying that some folks considered "colaaborators" or "admins" do not seem to have a sense of "manners" that I am being asked to uphold ... when they switch the discussion and example, into something else, in order to derail the thread and the comments. I'm just baffled, in my own way, at how some of these folks do not really know the history of the music, enough to make a call on "progressive" ... because 5 minutes later they are posting about a "commercial/industrial" statement about the whole thing. In my view, this ART is not being allowed to be who it was for what it was ... IT HAS TO FIT INTO AN IDEA that can only see and appreciate a TOP TEN and a specific set of ideas that did NOT have anything to do with the original music and its artists. That does not mean, in any way, that some had a hit ... and did really well with it ... but it's sort of like actors on the street ... everyone you hear about or read, there are some 500 others starving and washing dishes somewhere ... and ... ohh too bad ... their music is no good anyway! (Those 500 couldn't act 5 lines kinda thing!) And as the last posted comments say, new bands are being added all the time ... which I appreciate and no, I have not heard most of them, however, I bet that I have checked out more than half of them, since new music, new arts, and different things are a part of my catalog ... not top ten! And we know that those new entries are not top ten ... so why would most folks posting even bother listening to them, specially when their comments are less about new music and its differences (that helped progressive grow!!!), than they are yet another "vote" for that top ten assembly line! I don't want to see PA gone. But Ii would like to see PA take a stronger stand on PROGRESSIVE MUSIC and help dictate a lot of its definition, instead of WIKI now holding that prestige, because we have not done a whole lot to improve what we have seen, and specially its history ... we still talk about ITCOTCK as an album of songs and hits ... not anything else, and it is not that at all! Even RF stated that it is not "progressive" ... and we don't agree ... and therein lies one of the reasons why I don't like to say one album is and another is not ... to me, the history and its events, are not showing why the music is valuable and important ... we only seem to worry about one smaller thing, at a time when FM Radio in America was wide open, and played so much European stuff and new music, which was closed down within 5 years, when that same FM Radio was bought by commercial/industrial conglomerates, and promptly closed down the avenue of new music and "imports" (in America), thus making it look like for a lot of posts here in America that PROGRESSIVE MUSIC died in the 80's ... duhhhhhh ... the best friend we ever had, was taken away ... that simple, and just like today, it only plays the same stuff in a supposed top list ... that you and I would never EVER believe in ... but we allow it, and think it's cool, because it is "there" and we are not! This is about a fight for freedom ... in the arts ... and as one of my favorite films ... I call it ... LE PHANTOME DE LA LIBERTE ... as a tribute to one of my favorite films ... that does something with the stories that music, and specially rock music, is afraid to do ... bring it alive! We only hear the lyrics ... not anything else, it seems. With much love and care ... continue your comments, and let someone else show you what art isn't when it is just a mechanical exercise! |
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M27Barney
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Eh? Why use a few sentences when you can drone on for thirty paragraphs of usually opaque dogma?
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The Dark Elf
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I recall a long suffering publisher's reply to Gertrude Stein's latest droning, nearly unintelligible stream-of-consciousness manuscript. I believe this rejection notice would serve well in this case, even if it is not entirely within context: April 19, 1912. Dear Madam, I am only one, only one, only one. Only one being, one at the same time. Not two, not three, only one. Only one life to live, only sixty minutes in one hour. Only one pair of eyes. Only one brain. Only one being. Being only one, having only one pair of eyes, having only one time, having only one life, I cannot read your M.S. three or four times. Not even one time. Only one look, only one look is enough. Hardly one copy would sell here. Hardly one. Hardly one. Many thanks. I am returning the M.S. by registered post. Only one M.S. by one post. Sincerely yours, (Signed 'A. C. Fifield') |
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2dogs
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Well narrowing things down by rating and comparing albums or songs in an attempt to identify the best decades later is a completely different feeling to opening yourself up to a whole vibrant scene in a certain place and time, enjoying whatever you come across in multiple fields and understanding the larger context of that society.
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"There is nothing new except what has been forgotten" - Marie Antoinette
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richardh
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The top ten lists are normally kept in one place. Admin created that area of the forum for a reason and that was to keep it separate. It really is pointless to keep going on about it. If they got rid of this part of the site then they would just have to keep deleting threads and that's more work for people who are not paid for doing it. In any case this is a free world, you may not like it but others do. Why not just ignore it altogether? Is that so hard? |
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rogerthat
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Fully agreed but who exactly is doing the former? Are there then others who take these fun polls and top ten lists too much to heart?
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2dogs
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I have done it, and clicked the stars on my iPod, it’s all too easy to get sucked in . |
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"There is nothing new except what has been forgotten" - Marie Antoinette
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progaardvark
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Sorry about this slight digression, but FWIW, I check the newly added bands almost every day on PA. I add many of them to a list I keep of things I want to listen to. After listening to them, if I like it, I seek out a way of buying it. My problem is time management and I'm guilty of not having written a review in a long, long time. And I own a lot of things that have not been reviewed or have very, very few reviews. If I could only clone myself... But if the collabs are reading this, please know that your hard work does not go unnoticed. I'm very thankful of the work you do and the newly added bands are something I look forward to every day. I usually don't have the time over the weekend to visit here, but it gives me my lone highlight on the first day back at work on Monday. Thank you for what you do.
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M27Barney
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Aye. Once you have ascertained which members have a similar taste to your own. You can see which releases have been favourably pointed by your peers....This has worked more for me in finding stuff I wouldn't have found otherwise...Its fun finding a new avenue of prog...
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Braka1
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If it is, it shouldn't be.
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