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Snicolette
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Exorcising Ghosts? I did read that and kind of thought the same thing, although I do love his music. Thought it was a little light reading considering how deep many of his lyrics are. But, then again, he was really great at crafting those (imo), so perhaps didn't miss his calling of becoming a great novelist.
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"Into every rain, a little life must fall." ~Tom Rapp
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2dogs
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Probably not, as I don’t actually go on the forum to Sl*g Rush off .
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"There is nothing new except what has been forgotten" - Marie Antoinette
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Grumpyprogfan
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Dude, just trying to keep the banter light and humorous. Who really cares about any of the topics here? It's all in fun.
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TCat
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Archive's first album "Londonarium" before they were considered Prog is mostly rap but in a trip hop style. It's actually not too bad, though it's not their best. |
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iluvmarillion
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Guilty as charged, since whenever I open up my mouth people try to shut me up.
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Cristi
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I say no but I've been accused of being one
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Atavachron
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Oh hell yeah. |
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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rogerthat
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Here then is an actual example and you make of it what you will. This colleague who has safe and comfortable tastes in Indian music noticed me listening to rock music a lot. He got curious and asked me to show a sample. I played Bohemian Rhapsody on my mp3 player and he listened through earphones. Before he could get much further beyond the harmonised "This is the real life" vocal prelude, he was through. He looked disgusted and asked me how could I listen to this and it wasn't music. So...here you go. A gentleman who doesn't understand harmony concludes that something beyond his understanding = not good music. How many times will you hear ME saying something like that? Almost never. Irrespective of my general preferences, I will and have given anything a chance. Do I see people like this chap do that? No. In my opinion, and as Tapfret said, it is them, it is the journalists who blindly bashed prog as 'pretentious' without attempting to engage with it, who are the snobs because it's they who go "how can anybody listen to this?" (to be clear, some prog may indeed be pretentious but the notion that it is wholly a bad thing and three chord music is ALWAYS preferable doesn't fly). I know why somebody would listen to Justin Bieber even if I don't like his work because I can figure out where the appeal lies. The people who dismiss music out of hand without attempting to find out how it works are the real snobs, imo. If you were a music lover living in my city, you would have seen me at the shows of a reigning Bollywood singer, western classical recitals, jazz, metal, even Shakti (McLaughlin's collaboration with Zakir Hussain and others). If I like the music, genre is no bar for me. I don't insist that everybody should be equally or more adventurous in exploring music just as long as they don't give their opinions about MY preferences in music.
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rogerthat
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ABBA were a good band who just made America's famously nativist rock critics, notably Christgau, terribly insecure about their success. Yeah, so they have funny accents and clumsy lyrics but how far would an American outfit get trying to write lyrics in Swedish? They should listen to samples of Agnetha singing in Swedish; she was a wonderful singer. Relatively underrated given the kind of popularity she and the band had back in the day.
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Rednight
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I detest the local FM rock station. That's the worst of my snobbishness.
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"It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno
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Mormegil
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Oyus . .
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Welcome to the middle of the film.
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richardh
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I don't think Music Snobbery is just about dismissing other music , its about looking for music that is 'superior'. So I think what I have is better than top 40 chart music which tends to be mass produced and unoriginal. But people love that stuff for a reason because it's undemanding and they can go about their daily business with it in the background (radio or whatever). Not understanding music and dismissing something is a whole different thing. That's more to do with ignorance. I admit I am also guilty of that quite a lot!
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octopus-4
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I'm not sure, but I think yes.
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Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half.
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rogerthat
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The irony of this is some of the most influential prog rock bands did in fact scale way up the album charts and when they bothered to produce radio edits, did well on the singles charts too. Even today, great music does break through the charts. Everything Everything have had two top five albums in the UK charts and they are by no means typical. Radiohead's Moon Shaped Pool made the Billboard top five and have similarly charted well in the past too. It's just difficult to cut through the clutter of overexposed cookie cutter pop. And I do not think calling something by its name is snobbery. I am sure that at least in private, the songwriters regularly called on to deliver hits for popstars would admit to adhering to a formula if for no reason than that they can't afford to miss as the stakes are too high. Edited by rogerthat - August 16 2019 at 03:44 |
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richardh
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Yes that's true and as my avatar shows I am a fan of Muse and they are regularly are in the charts. BTW Someone at worked yesterday asked me what I think about Beyoncé so I deflected a bit by saying 'in what way?' . They of course responded ' not in the way you are thinking!' . I did add that I just don't like or bother with most chart music so not able to express an opinion about her music as I don't listen to it. That shows a mixture of snobbery and ignorance on my part I guess!?
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rogerthat
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That's the safest answer, to just say you don't know and don't have an opinion.
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Guldbamsen
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It’s all potatoes anyway...whether we prefer chips, pommes frites or the half baked green ones is of course a thing that rely on our individual voyage through potatoville.
I tend to dig the salty variants!!! |
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Lewian
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I respect all kinds of music (including much that ends up in the charts) and fans of every musical genre. However I do believe there are many around who don't listen properly and whose music preferences are driven by criteria that I'd consider non-musical, consciously or subconsciously. And there's music around that was made to cater for these in the first place, or to just satisfy certain expectations, rather than for conveying a "musical message". I don't enjoy discussing music with these people and I'm not interested in that kind of material. If that makes me a snob, so be it. (Also, which may not exactly be the same thing, I'm on a "private" forum discussing all kinds of things where there's a musicbox thread in which people post all kinds of stuff that they love - and occasionally I'm really stunned how samey and unoriginal the vast majority of that stuff is.)
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rogerthat
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Yeah, we are in the minority there. We listen to music for the sake of music. The majority of people associate music with some social activity and see it as reflective of their personality.
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moshkito
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And this is one of my favorite issues ... I don't trust the top 40 chart ... why? EASY ... check these numbers out! A band in NY sells 75K albums in 3 days ... and it makes the VARIETY LIST because only 2 other artists got that far and further. That same artist only sold 1400 albums in LA, and around 600 in SF ... but it is still listed in VARIETY because it is "considered" the standard in all of America ... and this is one of the "charts" that get copied to USA Today and many other newspapers, and ... we believe it more than we give a damn ... and the likelihood is that band in NY only sold 7500 albums, not 75K, or somewhere else in the country some folks would have noticed! My take is that a "number 1" on that list is worth a bit of money ... but the folks that run a few of those artists don't like the idea that the name of their artist is not listed with the best ... btw ... did you audit the supposed sale of 75K albums in 3 days in NY? How many stores? NOPE .... we just accepted the "information". And this is my only problem with a Top this or that ... the situations are never clear, and they are not listed so we know how the numbers got there ... so, if a store in Manhattan sold 5K albums of BandHooplah2, no one will know it, and it won't even be mentioned. Again, in that store, that band whooped the supposed number 1 ... that more than likely did not sell that much ... but the numbers make it look like they did! And worse ... we believed it. Our only hope is that one day we find out how fake these numbers were ... and that the artist will produce his/her bank account, and show that for all the numbers, he/she only brought home ... this much ... now, just sit back and watch the IRS and 157 lawyers go to work ... and 55 people end up in jail and some hard time!
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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