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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gerinski Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 03 2019 at 09:10
Voted for The Wall. The whole concept is deeply troubling and I can relate to it to some extent. 
I don't think the drugs are the reason for Pink's alienation but rather the opposite, a consequence.
I suffered a childhood trauma and subsequently, unconsciously I built a wall around me to protect myself from potentially dangerous feelings. As a result I became comfortably numb in many respects, which was fine for many years, I was successful in several respects (such as Pink becomes a successful rock star) but as I grew older I started to feel that something was wrong.
I'm not yet fully recovered although I fight the situation.
The ending is even more troubling, the judge declaring that the wall must be taken down, because if Pink is not psycologically ready for it, it can be devastating to his mind. We are left wondering wheter that's the case or whether he can overcome it.
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TAAB, then Quadrophenia.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote richardh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2019 at 00:41
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,

By the time that I heard any of these (Tommy in 1968 or so), I enjoyed them, but in the end, compared to a lot of literature, most of it was over rated and overly impressed with itself kind of material that I did not feel, needed the accolades, and did not deserve it ... 

Tommy was billed for a long time as the first "rock opera" ... I can handle that, but it was hardly a rock opera ... it was mostly just a bunch of songs in 2 albums!

Other than THE WALL I personally do not think a lot of all the others ... and it is weird that TFTO is not listed since that heavy of a spiritual trip is ALWAYS an individual path for everyone, this making it a good candidate for "alienation" without using the word! THE WALL's basic concept and idea had started some 15 years later in PF concerts with sound effects going around your head, and having vignettes and bits and pieces taking place, and eventually these came together into a "story" (second rate one in DSOTM) and eventually a full fledged story off the visuals for THE WALL. That the theme became "alienation" was a bit weird and scary when it had its roots in the WW2 and his parents, thus the term, is not exactly well defined and used in this situation, and THE WALL should not have been in this listing, although the symbol of the wall and its image on stage does indeed create the separation, which for Roger was probably more about protecting the players from the fans ... many of whom invaded their space many times when it should not have happened!

 

This is just total guff.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote octopus-4 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2019 at 01:29

If I were the good man I'd understand the spaces between friends...almost all the lyrics by Waters are about alienation. I would have added Mike Rutherford's Smallcreep's Day, but it's only on one LP side. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BrufordFreak Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2019 at 07:43
Great poll idea! I can think of many others you could have included! (Il Balletto di Bronzo's Ys, Nektar's Recycled, and The Buggles' The Age of Plastic are the ones that come to mind immediately.) 

In terms of effectiveness of the music and lyrics to tackled said theme(s), I was always blown away by The Wall (though I never really liked the music of the whole thing): I could truly feel the impact of Roger's message from the total package of that album. Thus I voted for The Wall (despite the fact that The Lamb is my all-time favorite album).

The next closest for accomplishing the capture of each alienation theme that you've designated is, for me, Crime of the Century. The others are all great, with GREAT music and songs, but their ability to accurately and constantly convey said themes over the course of their 45-minutes (or 90) are not as consistent--are more fractured. That is, of course, my opinion.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sean Trane Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2019 at 08:05
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,
and it is weird that TFTO is not listed since that heavy of a spiritual trip is ALWAYS an individual path for everyone, this making it a good candidate for "alienation" without using the word!
 
I'm a little afraid to ask (difficult already to understand your posts in a normal/plain context, let alone asking you to explain further), but how do you figure?Confused
 
TFTO is Jon's schmaltry-paltry drivel to achieving heaven & bliss and such frivolities (though yeah, it could be ranked in the heavy drug consumption category).
 
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Tommy....a sentimental favorite , though Quad, TAAB, and Lamb are all right up there for me.

The Wall is too long.....Crime is imho overrated, and ...
Bat Out Of Hell...seriously..?
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Lamb with TAAB second and maybe The Wall third. All records are quite good, only Crime here seems to me rather unadequate (I've never been too much into Supertramp) together with Bat Out Of Hell (I like it, but concept album? IMO it's not).
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Supertramp, then The Who and The Who
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Crime Of The Century
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I voted for Supertramp, but I'm not convinced "inadequacy" is the concept. That would be just scratching the surface.

The actual concept of Crime of the Century is the HUBRIS, or fatal flaws of mankind: 

1) paranoia ("School", "Bloody Well Right")
2) mental illness ("Hide in Your Shell", "Asylum")
3) self-deception/disillusionment ("Dreamer", "Rudy"), and
4) self-destruction ("If Everyone was Listening", "Crime of the Century").

It's at this point that I must mention that the band has always denied any connection between the songs, as if the album were just 8 songs haphazardly thrown together that by some cosmic fluke propelled them to international acclaim. My response is to read the lyrics, and take note of the song-sequencing. How did the words and music from a very obscure British band somehow resonate with a worldwide audience in spite of ZERO support from the media? Even if they don't understand it all at first, people somehow just "get" the universal themes this album so eloquently lays out.  
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Anders Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 26 2021 at 17:58
To be precise, Tommy is from 1969, but it gets my vote. It has always meant a lot to me.
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Originally posted by twosteves twosteves wrote:

The Lamb is about drug addiction??? ? Nah-- I don't think so. Never heard that. Heard more along the line of Wikipedia story description.

The album tells the story of Rael, a half Puerto Rican adolescent living in New York City who experiences several bizarre situations and characters.[22] Gabriel was influenced by the band's last American tour to set the story in New York City, and used the location as a tool to make Rael "more real, more extrovert and violent".[9]He chose to develop a character that is the least likely person to "fall into all this pansy claptrap", and aimed for a story that contrasted between fantasy and character.[12] He explained that as the story progresses, Rael finds that he is not as "butch" as he hoped and his experiences eventually brings out a more romantic side to his personality. The ending to the story is not directly clear as Gabriel deliberately left the ending of the story ambiguous. When asked about it, Gabriel does not declare that Rael dies, though he compared the ending to the buildup of suspense and drama in a film as "you never see what's so terrifying because they leave it up in the air without ... labelling it".[12] Several of the story's occurrences and settings derived from Gabriel's dreams.[33] Collins remarked the entire concept was about split personality.[34] The individual songs also make satirical allusions to mythology, the sexual revolution, advertising, and consumerism.[33] Gabriel felt the songs alone were not enough to detail all of the action in his story, so he wrote the full plot on the album's sleeve.[9]


I've owned the album since it first came out and it's the first I've heard it's about drug addiction. In fact I still haven't got a clue what the album is about after all these years and what you say just adds to the confusion. Does anybody else apart from Peter Gabriel know what the album is about and could they please tell Steve Hackett what it is because I don't think he knows either?
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Originally posted by iluvmarillion iluvmarillion wrote:

Originally posted by twosteves twosteves wrote:

The Lamb is about drug addiction??? ? Nah-- I don't think so. Never heard that. Heard more along the line of Wikipedia story description.

The album tells the story of Rael, a half Puerto Rican adolescent living in New York City who experiences several bizarre situations and characters.[22] Gabriel was influenced by the band's last American tour to set the story in New York City, and used the location as a tool to make Rael "more real, more extrovert and violent".[9]He chose to develop a character that is the least likely person to "fall into all this pansy claptrap", and aimed for a story that contrasted between fantasy and character.[12] He explained that as the story progresses, Rael finds that he is not as "butch" as he hoped and his experiences eventually brings out a more romantic side to his personality. The ending to the story is not directly clear as Gabriel deliberately left the ending of the story ambiguous. When asked about it, Gabriel does not declare that Rael dies, though he compared the ending to the buildup of suspense and drama in a film as "you never see what's so terrifying because they leave it up in the air without ... labelling it".[12] Several of the story's occurrences and settings derived from Gabriel's dreams.[33] Collins remarked the entire concept was about split personality.[34] The individual songs also make satirical allusions to mythology, the sexual revolution, advertising, and consumerism.[33] Gabriel felt the songs alone were not enough to detail all of the action in his story, so he wrote the full plot on the album's sleeve.[9]


I've owned the album since it first came out and it's the first I've heard it's about drug addiction. In fact I still haven't got a clue what the album is about after all these years and what you say just adds to the confusion. Does anybody else apart from Peter Gabriel know what the album is about and could they please tell Steve Hackett what it is because I don't think he knows either?

It's only knock and know-all, but I like it. Wink

Seriously though I was scratching my head at that drug addiction theme. I'd say sexual discovery, liberation, abuse, rejection, and shame area much bigger part of the album's theme. In fact the whole plot could be construed as a kind of sexual awakening for Real, which also resembles a really wild acid trip, filled with all sorts of incredible mythological and religious allusions. He runs around with a tough gang as a pretty young man (or even a teen), gets a certain idea about what it is to be a man, and what sex is and what it's for. He reads up on how to do it right once he realizes that it shouldn't be a one sided thing like he maybe learned in his gang, but he still gets it wrong and feels ashamed (I think there may be a naive rape in there).  Later he finds himself seemingly punished for his actions, or maybe his psyche is punishing him for his inability to please the woman he chose to have sex with. He's shrunken down to the size of an insect, then trying to decide who to follow in a world full of disparate beliefs and no easy way out, then winds up following someone who leads him astray despite seeming innocent and leads him to death in a subway tunnel, only he doesn't die and instead approaches a pool of even more nefarious creatures, The Lamia. He gives into their temptation of sexual pleasure, but something about him causes them to suffer by trying to devour him. Maybe he has too true of intentions? Maybe he's too young? Maybe he's spoiled and they were expecting a virgin? Hard to say without research. He winds up traveling to the colony of slippermen, who seem to be sexually deviant monstrosities, and they welcome him as one of their own. Realizing his desires would turn him into a monster, he has his genitals removed to stop himself by force, only they're stolen by a raven and in the end he has to choose between saving his genitals, returning home, or saving his brother, who turns out to be himself. And that's kind of where it all fades to white and Gabriel attempts a moral with the closing number, which is also him lampooning himself. Very strange psychological drama, in some places horror. Beautifully illustrated, compellingly narrated, even if the plot and the reasoning is all pretty fuzzy, but then I think it's supposed to be dense and intangible, like a particularly long and vivid dream.

That's one interpretation anyway.
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I took a long time deciding between The Lamb and Quadrophenia, but I think Quadrophenia is a bit more impact fully musically, with more heavy hitting tracks that aren't as narrative-dependent as those on The Lamb. I'm going with The Who here, though both are top shelf concept albums.
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I've mentioned it before, but here is the most in-depth look at The Lamb I've ever read.

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I got Crime Of The Century and The Wall close together even though Supertramp was out years earlier. Both blew this 18 year old away back then. I went with Supertramp. By the way Breakfast In America was out by then and I bought it too but even as an 18 year old I was a way bigger fan of Crime Of The Century.
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Originally posted by Awesoreno Awesoreno wrote:

I've mentioned it before, but here is the most in-depth look at The Lamb I've ever read.



i'll check this out, thx Wink
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