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Gerinski
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Voted for The Wall. The whole concept is deeply troubling and I can relate to it to some extent.
I don't think the drugs are the reason for Pink's alienation but rather the opposite, a consequence. I suffered a childhood trauma and subsequently, unconsciously I built a wall around me to protect myself from potentially dangerous feelings. As a result I became comfortably numb in many respects, which was fine for many years, I was successful in several respects (such as Pink becomes a successful rock star) but as I grew older I started to feel that something was wrong. I'm not yet fully recovered although I fight the situation. The ending is even more troubling, the judge declaring that the wall must be taken down, because if Pink is not psycologically ready for it, it can be devastating to his mind. We are left wondering wheter that's the case or whether he can overcome it.
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The Dark Elf
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TAAB, then Quadrophenia.
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This is just total guff.
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If I were the good man I'd understand the spaces between friends...almost all the lyrics by Waters are about alienation. I would have added Mike Rutherford's Smallcreep's Day, but it's only on one LP side.
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Great poll idea! I can think of many others you could have included! (Il Balletto di Bronzo's Ys, Nektar's Recycled, and The Buggles' The Age of Plastic are the ones that come to mind immediately.)
In terms of effectiveness of the music and lyrics to tackled said theme(s), I was always blown away by The Wall (though I never really liked the music of the whole thing): I could truly feel the impact of Roger's message from the total package of that album. Thus I voted for The Wall (despite the fact that The Lamb is my all-time favorite album). The next closest for accomplishing the capture of each alienation theme that you've designated is, for me, Crime of the Century. The others are all great, with GREAT music and songs, but their ability to accurately and constantly convey said themes over the course of their 45-minutes (or 90) are not as consistent--are more fractured. That is, of course, my opinion.
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Sean Trane
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I'm a little afraid to ask (difficult already to understand your posts in a normal/plain context, let alone asking you to explain further), but how do you figure? TFTO is Jon's schmaltry-paltry drivel to achieving heaven & bliss and such frivolities (though yeah, it could be ranked in the heavy drug consumption category). Nothing about feeling rejected from society
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dr wu23
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Tommy....a sentimental favorite , though Quad, TAAB, and Lamb are all right up there for me.
The Wall is too long.....Crime is imho overrated, and ... Bat Out Of Hell...seriously..? ;) |
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Lamb with TAAB second and maybe The Wall third. All records are quite good, only Crime here seems to me rather unadequate (I've never been too much into Supertramp) together with Bat Out Of Hell (I like it, but concept album? IMO it's not).
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Supertramp, then The Who and The Who
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A Crimson Mellotron
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The Wall
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Cristi
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Crime Of The Century
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Steve Wyzard
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I voted for Supertramp, but I'm not convinced "inadequacy" is the concept. That would be just scratching the surface.
The actual concept of Crime of the Century is the HUBRIS, or fatal flaws of mankind: 1) paranoia ("School", "Bloody Well Right") 2) mental illness ("Hide in Your Shell", "Asylum") 3) self-deception/disillusionment ("Dreamer", "Rudy"), and 4) self-destruction ("If Everyone was Listening", "Crime of the Century"). It's at this point that I must mention that the band has always denied any connection between the songs, as if the album were just 8 songs haphazardly thrown together that by some cosmic fluke propelled them to international acclaim. My response is to read the lyrics, and take note of the song-sequencing. How did the words and music from a very obscure British band somehow resonate with a worldwide audience in spite of ZERO support from the media? Even if they don't understand it all at first, people somehow just "get" the universal themes this album so eloquently lays out.
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The Anders
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To be precise, Tommy is from 1969, but it gets my vote. It has always meant a lot to me.
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Supertramp
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iluvmarillion
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I've owned the album since it first came out and it's the first I've heard it's about drug addiction. In fact I still haven't got a clue what the album is about after all these years and what you say just adds to the confusion. Does anybody else apart from Peter Gabriel know what the album is about and could they please tell Steve Hackett what it is because I don't think he knows either?
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It's only knock and know-all, but I like it. Seriously though I was scratching my head at that drug addiction theme. I'd say sexual discovery, liberation, abuse, rejection, and shame area much bigger part of the album's theme. In fact the whole plot could be construed as a kind of sexual awakening for Real, which also resembles a really wild acid trip, filled with all sorts of incredible mythological and religious allusions. He runs around with a tough gang as a pretty young man (or even a teen), gets a certain idea about what it is to be a man, and what sex is and what it's for. He reads up on how to do it right once he realizes that it shouldn't be a one sided thing like he maybe learned in his gang, but he still gets it wrong and feels ashamed (I think there may be a naive rape in there). Later he finds himself seemingly punished for his actions, or maybe his psyche is punishing him for his inability to please the woman he chose to have sex with. He's shrunken down to the size of an insect, then trying to decide who to follow in a world full of disparate beliefs and no easy way out, then winds up following someone who leads him astray despite seeming innocent and leads him to death in a subway tunnel, only he doesn't die and instead approaches a pool of even more nefarious creatures, The Lamia. He gives into their temptation of sexual pleasure, but something about him causes them to suffer by trying to devour him. Maybe he has too true of intentions? Maybe he's too young? Maybe he's spoiled and they were expecting a virgin? Hard to say without research. He winds up traveling to the colony of slippermen, who seem to be sexually deviant monstrosities, and they welcome him as one of their own. Realizing his desires would turn him into a monster, he has his genitals removed to stop himself by force, only they're stolen by a raven and in the end he has to choose between saving his genitals, returning home, or saving his brother, who turns out to be himself. And that's kind of where it all fades to white and Gabriel attempts a moral with the closing number, which is also him lampooning himself. Very strange psychological drama, in some places horror. Beautifully illustrated, compellingly narrated, even if the plot and the reasoning is all pretty fuzzy, but then I think it's supposed to be dense and intangible, like a particularly long and vivid dream. That's one interpretation anyway.
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Sacro_Porgo
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I took a long time deciding between The Lamb and Quadrophenia, but I think Quadrophenia is a bit more impact fully musically, with more heavy hitting tracks that aren't as narrative-dependent as those on The Lamb. I'm going with The Who here, though both are top shelf concept albums.
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I've mentioned it before, but here is the most in-depth look at The Lamb I've ever read.
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Mellotron Storm
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I got Crime Of The Century and The Wall close together even though Supertramp was out years earlier. Both blew this 18 year old away back then. I went with Supertramp. By the way Breakfast In America was out by then and I bought it too but even as an 18 year old I was a way bigger fan of Crime Of The Century.
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i'll check this out, thx
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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