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Barbu
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It's well known that Pawn Hearts is prog perfection. |
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Atavachron
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Well said. One thing I hate is when someone says "in my opinion"-- we know it's your friggin' opinion, it detracts from the review, weakens the writer's position, and as you point out reveals a lack of confidence. |
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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I feel slightly bad about it now but I admit to getting on a member's case here for giving a five star rating to an Andrew Roussak album. The release had no bass sound. How can you give a five star rating to an album with no bass?
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siLLy puPPy
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How did Prince's "When Dove's Cry" create a funk sound that made it to #1 on the pop charts with no bass. Same reason.
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TCat
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Same thing with Meghan Trainor's "Its All About that Bass". I wonder if she knows what bass is because there is hardly any bass in that song. Its all about the treble. Edited by TCat - October 08 2019 at 17:51 |
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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I never realized that song had no bass in it. I guess you got me there. However, it's always been probably my least favorite song on that album so now I think I know why. Sorry but I have to have bass.
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Prog Sothoth
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Well, this is a prog rock site, which would attract major prog fans who want to share the prog they like with other prog fans. So I would expect an impassioned stance towards favorite prog albums. If acts like Celine Dion, Michael Bolton, Imagine Dragons and BTS were added to this site due to some seismic cosmic dimensional shift in the universe, then I would expect a bit of a different ratio between 5 and 1 star ratings here. Sure, there maybe a few raters here who only love a few prog groups enough to join this site while actively hating all the rest, but I would guess that they would show up, blow their wad, and disappear soon afterwards.
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siLLy puPPy
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I give 5 star ratings to perfect or close to perfect albums. Sometimes i round up 4.5 albums if i think they deserve it. Perfect doesn't mean every track is equal. Some tracks are designed to be filler but the album has to flow and it has to be innovative. Occasionally an album isn't exactly innovative but it simply perfects a style that has been around but hasn't reached its logical conclusion. Sometimes an album just blows me away so substantially that it gets a 5 star rating because it's so far out of the box that it is incomparable to anything else and just takes me to that magic music place. I have no problem giving any album 5 stars if it really deserves it. There are many albums that i love personally but don't give five stars because they have flaws. I always rate and review based on the album's merits, not my personal fondness however it can influence whether i round up or down given our whole star system.
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richardh
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sometimes it get's political if we don't like a particular album being so lowly rated. I admitted this with Glass Hammer's Three Cheers For The Broken Hearted which I gave 5 stars for. However should we allow personal taste to come into it? I gave 1 star to Jeff Wayne's War Of The Worlds because I just don't want to listen to it anymore but obviously it's not a complete write off. I think we are in a very grey area here and highly subjective opinion is up against the intellectual need to recognise that maybe something is not that bad despite not liking it. Generally I let my personal stance win out but that is probably wrong!
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Frenetic Zetetic
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Lol, this place is so bored and dead we've now come to accost our own star rating system.
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"I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
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Lewian
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The distinction between "personal taste" and "objective/an album's true merit" is problematic and a very fine line. On one hand, as I wrote earlier, I can make a distinction between appreciating something for very personal reasons that I wouldn't necessarily expect to generalise, and for reasons that can be explained and communicated and where there is a certain amount of agreement about key criteria for rating music. However, even these are very much up for interpretation and change over time, and they are ultimately the result of social exchange and communication, often dominated by a few people's personal tastes. Ultimately I think that objectivity doesn't exist, at least not in the sense of being truly independent of individual tastes. The music experience is created by the listener, and there is no music experience without the listener's personality, experience, and taste. What there is, as mentioned earlier, is an honest attempt to make sense and understand every music on its own terms (where "understanding" doesn't mean "finding its objective value" but rather "finding individual access"), to go beyond the purely intuitive personal reaction to music, to "work" on the own perception and to discover, and communication that tries to relate to criteria and experiences that are meaningful and informative for those who read the review. It's about good deep listening and communication, not about objectivity and "true quality".
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Grumpyprogfan
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I want to thank all who responded with comments. I don't agree with most of the opinions shared on this post but that is just me. I can't express myself well with words and that is why I don't review. Ratings are all I'm cut out to do. Thanks to everyone who takes the time to write reviews. Most of them are worth reading on this website, even if I don't agree. Not so much on the ZON.
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ExittheLemming
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One of the benefits of having just a 5 tiered rating system is that it forces you to choose between clearly demarcated criteria. We may not agree with the criteria but advocating increasing the resolution to say, awarding half stars only serves to confirm that said criteria are considered insufficient for our purposes. All of which begs the question: what is the purpose of a review? is it to provide your own personal appraisal and insight to the music or simply to provide a comparative 'score' to help with a potential purchasing decision? I like to think that PA are above the likes of TripAdvisor (Krautrock cosmiche references aside)
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TerLJack
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I would definitely go along with that! |
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M27Barney
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Music definately does have objective qualia. The tempo, recording style, studio location, difficulty in reproducing etc...but the rating is always judged on subjective analysis...
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Manuel
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In my case, it needs to be more than just a great record to get five stars. It needs to stand the test of time. Some great albums eventually sound dated, like most of the Beatle music for example, whereas others remain always relevant, even if a few decades have passed, and those are the ones that get the 5 stars, at lest on my own list of favorite albums of all time.
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friso
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Giving the five star ratings is also about sharing your love for music. Let's not be to harsh about such a fine thing.
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I'm guitarist and songwriter for the prog-related band Mother Bass. Find us at http://www.motherbass.com. I also enter stages throughout the Netherlands performing my poetry.
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Gerinski
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Some very knowledgeable people may try to give truly objective reviews and ratings, but I guess that subjectivity unavoidably comes into play in most cases.
If I review now my list of reviews, most of which were written more than 5 years ago, I still stand by my 5-star ratings. Perhaps I would only demote one or two albums to 4 stars. |
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miamiscot
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My ratings are skewed high because I don't want to rate an album I don't know well and I never get there with albums I dislike...
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M27Barney
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^ Surely a rule of thumb...but I reckon that certain classic prog releases have been targeted for outrageous downgrading by reviewers who may even never heard it! I had a conversation with a young geezer in a local beer shop who was wearing an Opeth T-shirt and he trotted out a 1976 cliche about over indulgent pomposity culprits Genesis, Yes and ELP...but he admitted he had not bothered to listen to any of them!
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