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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Well, I've tried listening to them but I'm afraid they do nothing for me. ELP trounce them in all departments for me - songwriting, musical ability and probably crucially the vocal department. Not a patch on Lake.
To each his own. I admit the vocals on the debut album are no great shakes, but on Illusions and Spartacus, Helmut Koellen's vocals are superb, as are Barry Palmer's on OLDH, Pompeii and A La Carte. David Hanselmann and Arno Steffen's subsequent vocals are good, but of course, the music is not classic Triumvirat, unfortunately, on the last two albums.
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I didn't know up to a few minutes ago that this guy had been a member of Triumvirat at some point:

This was a hit single in Germany in 1983, quite funny and original, but pretty annoying at the same time. Tongue
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Illusions is the album. Better than all ELP albums bar Brain Salad Surgery and Trilogy and should be a top 50 prog album. Never cared for Spartacus though and that was a real sticking point for me initially. It is original (perhaps except for a few cheeky Keith Emerson keyboard refrains) but I find it all a bit too cheesey ( and I like cheese!) . BTW Jurgen did an excellent solo album Hard To Be God in the eighties a little bit in the style of Vangelis. Try to track that down if you can!
 

I don't hear anything as compelling as "Tank," "Take a Pebble" or especially "Knife-Edge" on Illusions. 
 

I'm talking about whole albums and the first couple of ELP albums are hit and miss as far as I'm concerned even as a fan. Triumvirat were so much more organised and the music is impressively fluid . ELP were perhaps just too ego based (cliché number 133) but Karn Evil 9 and Toccata raised ELP to a level that few could follow (all in my opinion of course)
 

ELP's debut is fantastic, IMO. I don't think T'rat's writing is as robust till they hit Spartacus and OLDH, which I regard together as their zenith.
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^ I think you hit the nail on the head.  One can complain about going mainstream on OLDH but it's the songwriting that more than makes up for that questionable accusation
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Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

^ I think you hit the nail on the head.  One can complain about going mainstream on OLDH but it's the songwriting that more than makes up for that questionable accusation
 

OLDH also has a killer instrumental in "Panic on 5th Avenue." Clap
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^Here, here! I also especially love the stirring, astounding solo piano work on the instrumental "A Day In A Life" Deeply moving.
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hmm it doesn't hurt that I love Barry Palmer's voice.  He did a great job on several of Mike Oldfield's singles and albums in the mid 1980s as well
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The Head Triumvirat Roadie was named Tarkus, I just found out from someone who would know a detail like that. Wish I knew his real name; I bet he would have some stories to tell!
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Bravo Magazine's issue of the 15 May, 1975, where they list their 12 top German rock acts, and Triumvirat is included



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Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

Bravo Magazine's issue of the 15 May, 1975, where they list their 12 top German rock acts, and Triumvirat is included

I see TD is in there, as they should be.

I assume Eloy is one of the other six. Wink
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Triumvirat were absolutely stunning. Yeah, they kinda sounded like ELP but they were their own thing. Illusions and Spartacus are both pretty much perfect.
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Start with Spartacus, their most popular recording.  After that, Illusions on a Double Dimple, IMO their greatest achievement from start to finish.
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Illusions, Spartacus and OLDH have been companions since discovering the first one upon release. 
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I started with Spartacus and then got totally stuck. It was too 'pop opera' for my liking . Illusion is very impressive though and recently made the Rolling Stone Top 50 prog albums of all time!
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Never heard of these guys. Where to start? LOL
Illusions On a Double Dimple has their most classic sound. Pompeii with Barry Palmer on vocals is pretty good, also.
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I've always loved the Triumvirat sound, it's something quite special and unique. I love their music and I'm glad somebody is trying to keep the flame alive.
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Thanks to the bumper...time to relisten to my copy of Illusions....Thumbs Up
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Hi Doug, your package has been sent from the USA to Canada!  Cheers, Chuck!
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Hey, Chuck, I have not posted on PA for a long while, but could not resist a big "Thank You!" to you. Looking forward to it, big time.
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