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    Posted: August 01 2023 at 11:34
Originally posted by Magog2112 Magog2112 wrote:

Originally posted by progmatic progmatic wrote:

 Transatlantic. Vocals aren't to my liking.


I also can't seem to get into Transatlantic, which is ironic as I am a big fan of Pete Trewavas and Roine Stolt and their respective bands.

I'm also a fan of Trewavas, but his project with Edison's Children just didn't do anything for me. 

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Originally posted by progmatic progmatic wrote:

 Transatlantic. Vocals aren't to my liking.


I also can't seem to get into Transatlantic, which is ironic as I am a big fan of Pete Trewavas and Roine Stolt and their respective bands.
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I really tried to get into Dream Theater. They are VERY solid technically. I’m a Rush fan, so I thought it was an obvious fit. But, when I listened to DT, I either detected songs that seemed like Rush spin-offs or I didn’t respond to them on an emotional level.

When I hear Freewill by Rush, I immediately feel something and - as my wife says - it’s like an invisible antenna pops out of my head. Subdivisions really digs into me and there is some connection formed. I can even relate to the lyrics. Xanadu takes me to another plane. But, Dream Theater has not done this for me. I hear a lot of instrumental wizardry, but I don’t feel anything.

I’m even afraid to listen to them and other bands like them for fear of losing the inspiration I get from listening to other forms of Prog music. I think I have DT aversion. I know that’s not fair. I should give them another chance.

I just remember … oh, this sounds like a variation of Limelight. That sounds like a new riff for Xanadu. They also use chromaticism a lot, but not in … at least, to my ears, anyway … a pleasing way. I love chromaticism in chord progressions, but as scales in solos it just either sounds like a guitar exercise or that one is searching for the notes. Some chromaticism in blues and as grace notes sounds nice. But, I don’t care for excessive chromaticism in riffs and solos. I think the issue is that I enjoy tonality (even when the root is on the run, like in some prog). But, excessive chromaticism loses tonal richness … and eventually my ears say “enough!”

I hope I haven’t offended the DT fans. As I said, they are extremely good from a technical standpoint. The music just hasn’t yet connected with me.

P.S. I also stopped listening to Rush albums after Vapor Trails because I thought they started to sound too much like DT. I think I’m stuck in the 1980s and 1970s.



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JD Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2022 at 15:15
Don't get me wrong, I don't find it objectionable or anything, it just doesn't grab me like many other bands do.
There are plenty of popular bands that are like that for me. Canadian band Blue Rodeo is a good example. Very popular for a long time in the country but held no real interest for me.


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Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Pawn Hearts, Still Life, H To He, Who Am The Only One, Godbluff, A Grounding in Numbers, tried them all.
I agree with you on most of those unmemorable VDGG albums, but H to He lifts me higher than most. Smile
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Pawn Hearts, Still Life, H To He, Who Am The Only One, Godbluff, A Grounding in Numbers, tried them all.
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^Sift through Pawn Hearts, Still Life, World Record, and The Quiet Zone/The Pleasure Dome. There's bound to be something that strikes your fancy.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JD Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2022 at 12:23
Like the OP I haven't been able to gel to Van Der Graaf Generator after at last three tries. I haven't totally given up on them and I'm sure I'll give them a go again sometime this year.
But I find Pavlov's Dog un-listenable. I never made it past the first song I ever heard by them and have no interest in ever hearing them again.
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I was thinking of Phallus Dei. That would be early Amon Duul II?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mascodagama Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 12 2022 at 23:03
Originally posted by Tapfret Tapfret wrote:

This topic comes up every year or so. I will say the same thing I always say: if you are listening to a band/artist to "try to get into them", you are doing it wrong.
A good point. There is no “try” - as someone said.

A current group I’ve listened to a number of times but failed to enjoy is A Formal Horse. In common with others here the experience is a slightly odd one, because if I look at what the band does, the elements of their music, I “ought to like it”. I certainly don’t dislike it, but so far it just leaves me cold. I’ve gone back periodically because - like most people here I’m sure - I’ve had the experience many times by now of listening to something without grokking it X times, then it suddenly clicking on the X+1 listen. And because comments from people who have similar tastes to mine keep reminding me that I’m probably missing out on a good thing here.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote progaardvark Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 12 2022 at 15:17
I would say any band that uses growling vocals. I struggle with this. As an example, I've enjoyed Opeth's recent releases (Damnation, and Heritage onwards), but can't get past the vocals on their earlier works.

Having said that, I used to have issues with Henry Cow (as recent as 10 years ago), Gentle Giant (as recent as 15 years ago), and even King Crimson (also about 15 years ago). All three are among my favorites now. Evidence that curmudgeons can evolve. I may yet experience the breakthrough in the coming years. Who knows?
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Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

Closer to my own preferred genres, I have never got into Cardiacs although they tick plenty of boxes for me.
Yeah Cardiacs is one of the bands I'm sort of predisposed to like, that I can't get into. Those other bands you mention don't really tick any of my boxes, so I'll admit not having tried very hard with any of them (I've checked out them all though).

Also: I don't personally connect with Ozric Tentacles, Brand X, Mahavishnu Orchestra or Guru Guru. And I think I've somewhat tried.
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

 

I was told off by Cristi for saying that Dream Theater sounded like a blend of tribute acts to me. Maybe he had a point. Maybe that was somewhat dismissive of me, but note that I did also acknowledge their skill as musicians.



I didn't mean to tell you off, just that what you said bothered me a bit, I admit that EmbarrassedSmile, and I spoke my mind. 


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It seems Gentle Giant are a bit of a Marmite band where you either love or loathe them. I wouldn't say I loathe them, but I wouldn't mind if I never hear a Gentle Giant album again, having listened to them all in one day recently.
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Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

 

I was told off by Cristi for saying that Dream Theater sounded like a blend of tribute acts to me. Maybe he had a point. Maybe that was somewhat dismissive of me, but note that I did also acknowledge their skill as musicians.


I didn't mean to tell you off, just that what you said bothered me a bit, I admit that EmbarrassedSmile, and I spoke my mind. 
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Progishness Progishness wrote:

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:


I may not like something with fervour BUT I WILL not state that it has no value whatsoever, or that it is not interesting. As an example, I am not a "fan" of Gentle Giant, but their musicianship and creativity is over the top and I have 7 or 8 of their albums from the start! The quality of the music design is fearless and crazy at the same time. 


Sorry to appear a bit dim, but why are you buying albums that you don't like?


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It doesn't have to do with "like" or "dislike". It's like you saying that you got rid of that Picasso because it was crap. Or you didn't buy it when it was cheap and available. 

I don't judge music by likes and dislikes. Same with classical music ... there simply is way too much for anyone to think that their like and their dislike is what matters in the arts! The arts, for all intents and purposes are about breaking barriers and new ideas ... not your like or dislike. And THIS is the part that most fans can not handle ... their likes and dislikes don't matter, except some of the obvious type of prostitution out there that is just like what the old record companies we hate did!

I appreciate GG for their amazing ingenuity in creating music. Very simple. And their concert I saw was magnificent, and an experience that most folks these days could not even imagine, and get fake stage shows with silly pyrotechnics to make you think it was great! They, just about had no light show, and did not need it! You gotta hand it to them ... that is amazing at a time when everyone is trying to be cool'er and more attractive than anyone else! GG just did their thing! 






Your dismissing the emotional impact of music on the individual listener, in favour of an almost mathematical evaluation of the bands creative and technical skills. Both the subjective and objective evaluation of music are equally valid. Music is supposed to evoke an emotional reaction of some kind in the listener.

I was told off by Cristi for saying that Dream Theater sounded like a blend of tribute acts to me. Maybe he had a point. Maybe that was somewhat dismissive of me, but note that I did also acknowledge their skill as musicians.

Gentle Giant is a band I have enormous respect for, due to their obvious technical chops, and unique approach to song writing, but the emotional response to their music is missing for me.

If someone was playing a set of dustbin lids, at 150 BPM with extreme percussive proficiency; with crazy polyrhythms etc, it would be very clever...but it's likely it would still sound like someone hitting dustbin lids...which could get annoying after a while..
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Originally posted by Progishness Progishness wrote:

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:


I may not like something with fervour BUT I WILL not state that it has no value whatsoever, or that it is not interesting. As an example, I am not a "fan" of Gentle Giant, but their musicianship and creativity is over the top and I have 7 or 8 of their albums from the start! The quality of the music design is fearless and crazy at the same time. 


Sorry to appear a bit dim, but why are you buying albums that you don't like?

Hi,

It doesn't have to do with "like" or "dislike". It's like you saying that you got rid of that Picasso because it was crap. Or you didn't buy it when it was cheap and available. 

I don't judge music by likes and dislikes. Same with classical music ... there simply is way too much for anyone to think that their like and their dislike is what matters in the arts! The arts, for all intents and purposes are about breaking barriers and new ideas ... not your like or dislike. And THIS is the part that most fans can not handle ... their likes and dislikes don't matter, except some of the obvious type of prostitution out there that is just like what the old record companies we hate did!

I appreciate GG for their amazing ingenuity in creating music. Very simple. And their concert I saw was magnificent, and an experience that most folks these days could not even imagine, and get fake stage shows with silly pyrotechnics to make you think it was great! They, just about had no light show, and did not need it! You gotta hand it to them ... that is amazing at a time when everyone is trying to be cool'er and more attractive than anyone else! GG just did their thing! 




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