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AFlowerKingCrimson
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Well, if this is based on consensus then GG and VDGG would both make second tier(heck I've seen GG in the first tier). However, I see you are from the UK and to my understanding GG were never very big in their homeland. However, in the over all big picture they are usually the next band after KC in most lists that I have seen.
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Gerinski
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Agree, although I would doubt between Kansas and Mike Oldfield, if only because Oldfield's huge historical influence on the genre with TB. At least in Europe nearly every family in the 70s had a copy of TB at home, while not so many would have Kansas albums. |
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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I'd pretty ok with that version of the second tier, personally I'd find a way for Gong/Oldfield at the expense of Kansas/Renaissance but that's just my preference.
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Ian
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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I'm not the biggest Renaissance fan either(although I like them)but someone mentioned them earlier and it seemed like a good idea to include them. Really it could be just about any band that most 70's prog heads were into besides the big five or six. What I mean is any band that toured a lot and or were fairly known just not at the very top tier level. Heck, you could even throw Tangerine Dream in the mix. :)
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essexboyinwales
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Yes, plenty!!!
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Lewian
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As I wrote before, there's nothing special or law-like about the number 6. One can have a second tier with 7, 10, or 12 bands, no problem. Can should be in.
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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I disagree with Can because they are more Krautrock and not really traditional prog. If you had them then you would have to have Tangerine Dream, Kraftwerk, Faust, Neu, Amon Duul II, Agitation Free, Popol Vuh and maybe a few others.
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Psychedelic Paul
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In that case, they're probably BBC Radio 1 listeners between the ages of 18 and 25.
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progaardvark
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This is an international forum and website. Prog rock is international in scope. It really doesn't matter where a band is from to make any tier of "big" bands. If you would get off your English high horse, you would have noticed this a long time ago.
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Psychedelic Paul
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^^ All I'm saying is the six English bands I've selected for the second tier are all much-better-known than the two lesser-well-known Italian bands, no matter how good they are.
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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On that basis Kansas, Rush and Dream Theater should be in your list.
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Ian
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Psychedelic Paul
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Fair comment, but I'm biased towards British bands, as you may have noticed. Although the first tier of prog bands has been pretty much agreed upon, I don't think we're ever going to agree on who should be in the second tier, but that's all part of the fun. Maybe we need separate tiers for each country.
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TCat
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PFM and BDMS are both immensely popular bands, and not just in Italy, but among people in the North America and throughout Europe, so I am sure that even in England they must be known. PP, if you want to base your list off of only English bands, then go ahead, but since you are on a site that recognizes international talent, don't get all huffy when someone else lists bands that might be more recognized than some of yours. There are a few on your list that aren't quite as popular elsewhere, and I would think that at least PFM is more popular on a worldwide scale than BJH whether they sing in English or not, that doesn't matter. By the way, they do sing in English and Italian both, and have performed worldwide. I even own one of their albums recorded live in North America. The forum is about opinions, so stick with yours and don't argue about other people's opinions when you don't know what you are saying.
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Lewian
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So Pink Floyd should not be in the big 6 because they're more psychedelic? Jethro Tull not because they're too folk or blues or whatnot, and if you have Genesis you need to have Marillion, too? That doesn't make sense. Can are original, unique and very influential, ask Brian Eno or the people who rate their albums on rateyourmusic or pitchfork. It's all opinion in the end and you can have yours, and sure one could argue TD or Kraftwerk as well (as others including PFM, Magma etc.) but they're really very different and by the way not actually classified as Kraut. And I don't think you'd find anyone in the world who thinks Agitation Free or even Faust are up with these.
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Well WE'VE all agreed you are incorrect to omit GG & VDGG. We all seem to be ok with Camel. After that it looks like a crapshoot for the other spots & I'm ok with that.
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Ian
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Lewian
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Except that you seem to be the only one who thinks that country matters. Hellooo?? It's music, it's about listening, not nationality.
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Psychedelic Paul
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Well, maybe we need to expand the second tier then so there are eight bands instead of six and then we can add Gentle Giant and Van Der Graaf Generator. There's no rule that says the first or second tier has to be limited to only six bands.
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miamiscot
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You need some Italian Prog in your life!!!
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I prophesy disaster
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I decided to remove albums with less than 1000 ratings as you suggest. The two lists then becomes: Based on their highest rated album in the Top 100 list, the top 6 artists are: Yes Genesis Pink Floyd King Crimson Jethro Tull Van Der Graaf Generator and the next 6 artists are: Camel Premiata Forneria Marconi (PFM) Rush Änglagård Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso Harmonium Based on the number of albums in the Top 100 list, the top 6 artists are: Genesis Gentle Giant Pink Floyd King Crimson Van Der Graaf Generator Rush and the next 7 artists are: Yes Opeth Dream Theater Porcupine Tree Riverside Marillion Emerson Lake & Palmer |
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Psychedelic Paul
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YES I DO!!
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