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This isn't really about not being good with the internet although it could be to some extent. It's more about who is the most likely to discover prog or know about it. The internet could be a factor. Maybe it was my imagination but did I detect a bit of programming syntax in your response there? ;)
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

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teens
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It seems ironic that people in their 70's are right at the bottom of your list for the appreciation of prog when many prog musicians from the classic 1970's era are in their 70's now. Smile

Being 70 != being able to search the internet for an obscure forum about obscure music. 

Maybe :P. Most people 70+ aren't so good at the internet.
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Originally posted by BunBun BunBun wrote:

Well, it has been a while since I have posted on this site, but I am a 25 year old female and I am a huge prog fan. I have been really big into prog for probably the last 6 years or so. I love to collect vinyl and I have been slowly amassing my favorites. Phil Collins and Genesis were my gateway into the wonderful, weird world of prog and I have been a huge fan ever since. I honestly never heard of prog before until I read on wikipedia that Genesis were considered a progresssive rock band, so I told myself I needed to find out what this "progressive rock" was.

Now, that I have a vague notion on what this genre of music is because lets be honest, people are always arguing over what is and what isn't progressive rock. I especially love the symphonic side of prog but I have since gotten into the RPI genre, some zheul, some avant, some jazz fusion, neo, etc. Now my tastes are pretty eclectic.

So yes, there are definitely younger people who are into prog, however, I have to admit I haven't met many people my age who are such huge prog fans as I am. Sure people seem to like Rush and Pink Floyd but that is the extent of many peoples' knowledge of progressive rock.

Honestly, you summed it up perfectly. I also never had heard of Prog before, but I loved the music and wanted more. And just like you I travelled into the weird side worlds of prog and found even more new music.

I haven't met any prog fans aside from prog death metal fans at Opeth, and the guy at my local music shop likes modern prog like Plini, King Gizzard etc. I haven't really heard these bands yet. It's taken me years to get through all of the classic prog acts and their spin offs.
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Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

It seems ironic that people in their 70's are right at the bottom of your list for the appreciation of prog when many prog musicians from the classic 1970's era are in their 70's now. Smile
 
People tend to get into music during their teens, whereas the musicians they are getting into tend to be about ten years older.
 


 
 

Exactly. Those in their 70's typically got into music from the fifties or sixties. Since prog was not on most people's radar in the 80's or 90's most people who were teens in those decades(30's and 40's now)did not get exposed to prog which is why they are towards the bottom of my list. Not that there aren't any of course but I would guess most of them that are into it now kind of discovered it online much later and and had an aha moment("oh Rush are prog?" "Oh Dream theater are considered prog rock? I better check out this thing called prog rock."). That kind of thing. Typically there has to be some kind of "bridge" that takes someone from casual fan to knowing what prog is then to becoming a fan. I guess you can think of it as a two steop or three step process(depending on where and how they start). Those who already are fans of Yes, PF etc growing up have a headstart but they still need to dig deeper to be prog fans. These days the term "prog" is pretty ubiquitous in music circles it seems so it's probably the easiest it's been to discover prog since the seventies.


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Originally posted by BunBun BunBun wrote:

Yea, I definitely should of mentioned that I was referring to the younger crowd when I made that statement.

Yep. Unfortunately that seems to be the case. I'm not(and I'm sure you're not either) referring to younger prog fans though. If the younger folks get into prog and within a few weeks they don't know about Yes, KC, Genesis, ELP, etc then they aren't paying attention or just focusing on prog metal etc. In the past(say past ten to 12 years or so)whenever I have seen a younger person in public and talked to them about their Yes t shirt it almost always turned out that they found out about them through their parents. I think many younger folks who have heard of Yes probably just think of them as "just another classic rock band" and the same thing with Genesis. Their loss. Wink  
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

It seems ironic that people in their 70's are right at the bottom of your list for the appreciation of prog when many prog musicians from the classic 1970's era are in their 70's now. Smile
 
People tend to get into music during their teens, whereas the musicians they are getting into tend to be about ten years older.
 
 
 
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

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20's 
teens
40's
30's
70's


It seems ironic that people in their 70's are right at the bottom of your list for the appreciation of prog when many prog musicians from the classic 1970's era are in their 70's now. Smile
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Yea, I definitely should of mentioned that I was referring to the younger crowd when I made that statement.
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Sure people seem to like Rush and Pink Floyd but that is the extent of many peoples' knowledge of progressive rock


Well, for the younger people anyway. I'm sure most people over 40 have at least heard of Yes, Genesis and Jethro Tull and if they are big music fans in general then probably King Crimson also.
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Well, it has been a while since I have posted on this site, but I am a 25 year old female and I am a huge prog fan. I have been really big into prog for probably the last 6 years or so. I love to collect vinyl and I have been slowly amassing my favorites. Phil Collins and Genesis were my gateway into the wonderful, weird world of prog and I have been a huge fan ever since. I honestly never heard of prog before until I read on wikipedia that Genesis were considered a progresssive rock band, so I told myself I needed to find out what this "progressive rock" was.

Now, that I have a vague notion on what this genre of music is because lets be honest, people are always arguing over what is and what isn't progressive rock. I especially love the symphonic side of prog but I have since gotten into the RPI genre, some zheul, some avant, some jazz fusion, neo, etc. Now my tastes are pretty eclectic.

So yes, there are definitely younger people who are into prog, however, I have to admit I haven't met many people my age who are such huge prog fans as I am. Sure people seem to like Rush and Pink Floyd but that is the extent of many peoples' knowledge of progressive rock.


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I would call them observations more than assumptions. I haven't collected and gathered "scientific" data on the subject(not yet anyway)but my conclusions(and theories)are based on my many years of participating on online prog forums(such as this one)as well as online prog research in general as well as attending many prog festivals and concerts over the years. I put my age group towards the bottom because at almost all the prog concerts and festivals I have been to there were relatively few my age or around my age. Most were either a bit older or a bit younger. The most extreme example was Ozric Tentacles where most everyone was either 55 and over or in their early to mid twenties. It was almost as if a bunch of older guys brought their kids then separated once they got there. LOL

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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by hugo1995 hugo1995 wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by hugo1995 hugo1995 wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

60's
50's
20's 
teens
40's
30's
70's



Well said

Do you know why I arranged these age groups in this order?

Well said


I'll take that as a no. It's in descending order. The ones at the top have the most fans and the ones at the bottom have the least(based on my observations of being a prog fan for over 30 years although this is how it currrently seems to sit). 


At 60 years of age, it's good to know I'm at the top of the list for the appreciation of prog, although I'm surprised to see teens are only halfway down your list and not right at the bottom of the list. Smile

Well, it's because younger people tend to be more internet savy and because of that are more easily able to discover new music(new to them anyway). I could be a little off on that and they might be a little lower but for now I stand by it. Plus they have parents and even grandparents who might have been into prog. 

Not a bad assumption to be honest. I found Progressive Rock out completely by my own accord after wanting to hear more groovy synthesizer stuff. 

It's kinda weird, as a kid I hated all forms of rock except blink 182 and Linkin Park and I listened to lots of rap and hip hop because of my brothers. I discovered prog in 2013 and got more into musical theory in 2014 and started taking my organ/piano lessons seriously. 

These days I denounced genres that are harmonically simple, like most pop/rap/hiphop/EDM. I just don't like it. You won't catch me playing my organ without it plugged through Wah, Chorus and Fuzz. Thanks Emerson, Stewart and Ratledge.
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Interesting. Do 50's people enjoy prog. My mum and dad are 50 and them and all their friends like old punk, new wave, radiohead smashing pumpkins, that type of stuff.


In my opinion yes and definitely more than the other age groups(except for maybe sixties). Have you seen the prog fans in their 50's thread on here? It's very active. The 20's age group might be catching up though but this thread so far hasn't convinced me otherwise(since a lot of different ages are contributing here). But yeah a lot in that age group are into alternative, metal, classic rock and other stuff too. My brother is 52 now(53 in June)and I'm more into prog than he is(I'll be 50 in about three months). He's mostly into alternative especially the red hot chillipeppers. He is responsible for getting me into REM and some of those other kinds of bands and I took him to see U2 for his fiftieth birthday. I got into prog mostly on my own(although my cousin was a factor as was my dad's copy of the Yes album and a guitar book that mentioned Robert Fripp).


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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by hugo1995 hugo1995 wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by hugo1995 hugo1995 wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

60's
50's
20's 
teens
40's
30's
70's



Well said

Do you know why I arranged these age groups in this order?

Well said


I'll take that as a no. It's in descending order. The ones at the top have the most fans and the ones at the bottom have the least(based on my observations of being a prog fan for over 30 years although this is how it currrently seems to sit). 


At 60 years of age, it's good to know I'm at the top of the list for the appreciation of prog, although I'm surprised to see teens are only halfway down your list and not right at the bottom of the list. Smile

Well, it's because younger people tend to be more internet savy and because of that are more easily able to discover new music(new to them anyway). I could be a little off on that and they might be a little lower but for now I stand by it. Plus they have parents and even grandparents who might have been into prog. 
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by hugo1995 hugo1995 wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by hugo1995 hugo1995 wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

60's
50's
20's 
teens
40's
30's
70's



Well said

Do you know why I arranged these age groups in this order?

Well said


I'll take that as a no. It's in descending order. The ones at the top have the most fans and the ones at the bottom have the least(based on my observations of being a prog fan for over 30 years although this is how it currrently seems to sit). 



Interesting. Do 50's people enjoy prog. My mum and dad are 50 and them and all their friends like old punk, new wave, radiohead smashing pumpkins, that type of stuff.
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

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I'm sh*t at english, but no apostophe at all surely? Suppose i'm feckin wromg...my english teacher would be pissing her knickers if she saw this...

When I said the apostrophe is in the wrong place, I meant it should be in "20's" and not in "fan's" Wink

Ah, yeah, told you I was sh*t at english...😂

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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

I'm sh*t at english, but no apostophe at all surely? Suppose i'm feckin wromg...my english teacher would be pissing her knickers if she saw this...
When I said the apostrophe is in the wrong place, I meant it should be in "20's" and not in "fan's" Wink
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When I saw ARW play in Dayton there were some youngsters screaming "We love Jon!!!."

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I'm sh*t at english, but no apostophe at all surely? Suppose i'm feckin wromg...my english teacher would be pissing her knickers if she saw this...
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Am I the only one bothered by the grammar mistake in the thread title? LOL
Seems so...
I hadn't noticed the apostrophe was in the wrong place until you mentioned it but it's not a catastrophe. Smile
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