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Poll Question: When did Genesis jump the shark?
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    Posted: July 23 2020 at 01:24
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Rick1 Rick1 wrote:

Follow You, Follow Me because:

1. My Mum liked it
2. A letter to Sounds or MM at the time said, 'I just heard Genesis on Radio 2, 'nuff said'
I heard Black Sabbath's "Paranoid" played on BBC Radio 2 the other day, which is not something you'd EVER hear played on Radio 2 back in the 1970's and 80's. Wink

That's nothing , I've heard The Sex Pistols played on Radio 2 on more than one occasion.Smile

Doesn't add anything , but ELP's Works Volume One album has maybe the distinction of being the only album to have been played on radio 1, 2 and 3 back in the day!

That's one of the most uncool yet endlessly interesting I've heard in a long time. I think that cements every opinion anyone has ever had about ELP, good or bad.
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Rick1 Rick1 wrote:

Follow You, Follow Me because:

1. My Mum liked it
2. A letter to Sounds or MM at the time said, 'I just heard Genesis on Radio 2, 'nuff said'
I heard Black Sabbath's "Paranoid" played on BBC Radio 2 the other day, which is not something you'd EVER hear played on Radio 2 back in the 1970's and 80's. Wink

That's nothing , I've heard The Sex Pistols played on Radio 2 on more than one occasion.Smile

Doesn't add anything , but ELP's Works Volume One album has maybe the distinction of being the only album to have been played on radio 1, 2 and 3 back in the day!
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^ Sort of, indeed, but it was not quiet the same. The lack of flute is noted, I guess, even if it wasn't actually used all that prominently when Gabriel was around. However, the one song since Selling England that got closer to that sound was One for the Vine, and not really much more.
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Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Well, I guess that by the way this thread was done, about songs, the right answer is Follow you Follow me, though I don't really dislike it, and I think they released many great (pop) songs after it. I would find it easier to think of them jumping shark in album terms, and for the the album would be The Lamb Lies Down in Broadway... that's when they dropped their gorgeous pastoral / symphonic sound.

But A Trick Of The Tail has that pastoral/symphonic sound in spades. I'd say they didn't fully do away with it until And Then There Were Three or Duke.
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Well, I guess that by the way this thread was done, about songs, the right answer is Follow you Follow me, though I don't really dislike it, and I think they released many great (pop) songs after it. I would find it easier to think of them jumping shark in album terms, and for the the album would be The Lamb Lies Down in Broadway... that's when they dropped their gorgeous pastoral / symphonic sound.
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Originally posted by Rick1 Rick1 wrote:

Follow You, Follow Me because:

1. My Mum liked it
2. A letter to Sounds or MM at the time said, 'I just heard Genesis on Radio 2, 'nuff said'
I heard Black Sabbath's "Paranoid" played on BBC Radio 2 the other day, which is not something you'd EVER hear played on Radio 2 back in the 1970's and 80's. Wink
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Follow You, Follow Me because:

1. My Mum liked it
2. A letter to Sounds or MM at the time said, 'I just heard Genesis on Radio 2, 'nuff said'
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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

they didn't jump the shark on singes, but with album, IMHO.

ATTWT and Duke, ASAIAC, they're still honest attemps at being themselves in a changing musical landscape, despite three crummy single hits singles (not sure YOSW was a "hit" or a "single", though) to promote their albums.

They really started sucking the bag with Abacrap (and No reply), though I do have a soft spot for Shapes' A-side (That's all was a pleasant pop single, something the cruddy Illegal Alien wasn't)

I do like Dodo/Lurker , Keep It Dark and the title track. The production was excellent but there are some real stinkers on that album admittedly. I don't mind No Reply (okay its essentially a Collins solo track and so is 'filler' but I don't hate it).
I was depressed at the time though because they were clearly handing in their 'prog badge' and were not shy to say it. But as everyone else was doing the same then it wasn't surprising. Although the 'Shapes' album gets praised I've always found it insipid. I also hate Mama way more than anything else they did!


the only thing I don't mind on Abacrep is Abacab (title track), the rest is atrocious iMHO.... not least the fault of Paghdam, which was the architect of so many awful 80's albums.


Yeah, at first, heavy WTF for Mama, but it's still miles better than Shapes' filpside and the awful IT. If I hear Mama nowadays on the radio (where else what I hear it), I won't necessarily zap it away like I did back then.








At the risk of flogging a dead horse, what about the track Dodo/Lurker? If had been released a a 4 part suite as originally it recorded would that make a difference to you? (you can find the full version on the internet somewhere .. probably if Banks hasn't had it removed Tongue)


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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Genesis always had Pop inclinations from the very start. It is very difficult to have the same worldview when you’re 40, to when you were 22. I think they never ‘jumped the shark’, as the Pop side of things was a gradual progression a became the dominant styling. Hey, I love the full-blown Prog Genesis of old as much as the next Progger, but I always find time to enjoy Abacab or self-title at the drop of a hat

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They became much better SONGwriters with age. I mean of course, "The Musical Box", "Supper's Ready", "The Cinema Show", hell to the yeah and all that, but Shapes and Invisible Touch are both peak pop music for me
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Did I say this already - it was a gradual progression. Maybe Abacab was the significant noticeable change, but it was heading that way since Wind and Wuthering. They never jumped as such, but grudually morphed into Pop style songs. They wrre good at what they did.
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Genesis aka Shapes
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Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Never mind the music, dressing up like a flower is shark jumping defined.
 
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I don't really know.  They successfully transitioned to a pop band so in that sense they achieved more than almost any band could be expected to.  In fact, what I hated most about their 1980s sound was the loudness of the drumming.  Absolutely intolerable for me on most of the tracks
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Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Never mind the music, dressing up like a flower is shark jumping defined.

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well it was either that and steal from Italian bands like Osanna whom they toured with and made them look as boring as they were or ..not surprisingly

get dropped by their label...
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Never mind the music, dressing up like a flower is shark jumping defined.
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Originally posted by tdfloyd tdfloyd wrote:

There are only a handful of songs of theirs that I don't like, but the one I despise is Anything She Does. Now I know that many here hate the whole Invisible Touch album, but I'm not one of them. But ASD is their lower than whale sh*t on the bottom of the ocean song.
Interesting. The title song is worse.
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Well...everything after Wind was downhill for me so I guess with Follow You....
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There are only a handful of songs of theirs that I don't like, but the one I despise is Anything She Does. Now I know that many here hate the whole Invisible Touch album, but I'm not one of them. But ASD is their lower than whale sh*t on the bottom of the ocean song.
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I wondered about doing a post-1970's Genesis albums poll, but there are really no albums worth voting for in my opinion, after "jumping the shark" with the 1980 Duke album. Smile
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

they didn't jump the shark on singes, but with album, IMHO.

ATTWT and Duke, ASAIAC, they're still honest attemps at being themselves in a changing musical landscape, despite three crummy single hits singles (not sure YOSW was a "hit" or a "single", though) to promote their albums.

They really started sucking the bag with Abacrap (and No reply), though I do have a soft spot for Shapes' A-side (That's all was a pleasant pop single, something the cruddy Illegal Alien wasn't)

I do like Dodo/Lurker , Keep It Dark and the title track. The production was excellent but there are some real stinkers on that album admittedly. I don't mind No Reply (okay its essentially a Collins solo track and so is 'filler' but I don't hate it).
I was depressed at the time though because they were clearly handing in their 'prog badge' and were not shy to say it. But as everyone else was doing the same then it wasn't surprising. Although the 'Shapes' album gets praised I've always found it insipid. I also hate Mama way more than anything else they did!


the only thing I don't mind on Abacrep is Abacab (title track), the rest is atrocious iMHO.... not least the fault of Paghdam, which was the architect of so many awful 80's albums.


Yeah, at first, heavy WTF for Mama, but it's still miles better than Shapes' filpside and the awful IT. If I hear Mama nowadays on the radio (where else what I hear it), I won't necessarily zap it away like I did back then.







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