Rush vs KC: Which is responsible for prog metal? |
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Neither, but out of these two IŽd pick Rush. Holding KC responsible for RIO/Avant would even make a bit more sense, methinks.
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rogerthat
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Victim of Changes and Sinner do have a proto-prog metal quality. If you really want like full blown prog metal, maybe that would be a band like Watchtower.
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SteveG
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Neither. With it's 18 minute long title song that encompasses "God Rest Ye Merry Gentleman", extended distorted lead guitar solo, and a 5 minute long drum solo, Iron Butterfly was responsible for prog metal with their song "In-a Gadda-da Vidda" back in 1968.
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Lieutenant_Lan
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Both definitely contributed, but rush can be pretty heavy so Id say them.
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Dellinger
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^ King Crimson can be very heavy indeed, too.
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A Crimson Mellotron
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Both of these were an inspiration for some metal acts (KC for Tool, Dream Theater, The Mars Volta, and many more; Rush for Pocrupine Tree, DT again, Devin Townsend, and more, I am naming some common ones); However, both of them are not necessarily the first names that come up when thinking about bands responsible for metal. Should have had an option both.
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Rick1
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Prog metal is not a genre! Metal is simply part of the palette used by prog bands. Blimey, even Henry Cow has 'metal' moments!
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Heart of the Matter
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I'd say that, comparing (let's say) Xanadu to Schizoid Man, it's both. But what made people talk about "Prog-Metal" (genre or whatever) were Rush 70's albums, mainly 2112 and A Farewell To Kings.
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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I don't deny King Crimson's influence but over all I'm going to say Rush. Rush were also an influence on NWOBH(new wave of British heavy metal)and have been cited by metal bands as an influence(Kirk Hammet of Metallica and the members of Iron Maiden to name just a few). King Crimson were more or less(imo)accidentally metallish. They probably set out to be heavy but I don't think they were overtly influenced by Zeppelin or Sabbath nor did they set out to be metallish. I think Fripp just wanted to occasionally turn the distortion nob up and crank out some riffage. You could say that about other bands too such as UFO, Budgie, Mountain, Uriah Heep etc. However, with the possible exception of Uriah Heep(and I guess Black Sabbath)most heavy bands weren't trying to be prog (imo)or at least not many well known ones were.
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Spacegod87
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With no "other" option, I would say Rush, given their more consistent overall heavy sound.
I won't go into paragraph after paragraph of how prog metal came to be, there's been enough of that here, but I suppose the simplest answer is just: Rush. KC put too many ingredients into their big pot of music sauce, and metal/heavy rock was just the seasoning.
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Sacro_Porgo
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Not to discount the fact that KC beat Rush to the punch and were arguably much heavier and or much more progressive than Rush but.... when you read about metal bands with prog tendencies and prog metal bands and they start listing their major influences, Rush always seems to come towards the top of the list. Maybe after Sabbath or Priest. KC were invaluable to the genre's birth, but it was Rush who inspired the most other people to continue developing the genre.
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Porg for short. My love of music doesn't end with prog! Feel free to discuss all sorts of music with me. Odds are I'll give it a chance if I haven't already! :)
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I'd say with the exception of the heavy bit in Cygnus X-1 that Hemispheres is more metal than AFTK.
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Porg for short. My love of music doesn't end with prog! Feel free to discuss all sorts of music with me. Odds are I'll give it a chance if I haven't already! :)
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Sacro_Porgo
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What about And Justice For All by Metallica, or Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son by Iron Maiden, or Awake by Dream Theatre? Are all of those just prog bands dabbling in metal or is there something else going on?
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Porg for short. My love of music doesn't end with prog! Feel free to discuss all sorts of music with me. Odds are I'll give it a chance if I haven't already! :)
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Sacro_Porgo
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Interesting. A lot of posts in this thread seem to have taken the question as "who invented prog metal" but I took it as "who's most responsible for its spread/development/popularity?" As for who invented prog metal...yeah that would have to be Sabbath. They invented metal, they had prog bits to a number of their songs, I'm just not seeing the argument for anyone inventing it after them. Maybe someone codifying it...
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Porg for short. My love of music doesn't end with prog! Feel free to discuss all sorts of music with me. Odds are I'll give it a chance if I haven't already! :)
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Frenetic Zetetic
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Prog isn't a genre! it's simply an extension of the palette used by rock bands. Blimey, even Elton John has "prog" moments!
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"I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
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Frenetic Zetetic
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I still say Larks' Tongues in Aspic Part 2 is THE quintessential proto-prog metal track. It has it all. It's 30 years ahead of all the bands that revived that sound and people assumed it was unique and brand new, like always, lol.
You can get away with almost anything once you're 30 years out from it; I had a LONG chat w a buddy about that yesterday.
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"I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
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Dellinger
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^ And many of their songs get much heavier in live versions. Say, Schizoid Man played by the Wetton era Crimson, or later versions, or Larks part 1 on the recen line-up... and those are just a pair of examples.
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Frenetic Zetetic
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Exactly. KC always managed to be heavy without getting locked into just one permutation OF it. Wetton's bass growls more than we realize.
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"I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
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