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Manuel
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I love Gentle giant, and I like VDGG.
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gr8dane
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Yes.That sax does not help, for sure.
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Shake & bake.
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gr8dane
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Glad you got to like them, eventually . I have tried and tried and tried GG.It's not happening. Now I have promised myself not to waste anymore time on them. There is just so much other great stuff.
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Shake & bake.
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twosteves
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wrong---I have tried many times to get into VDGG---but between the singer it sounds like a spoof of what prog from the 70's should sound like---I like a natural voice not a melodramatic put on one---not that it doesnt have some good moments....but GG has a legendary groove with a great bass player (underrated) and some beautiful vocals from both singers. Voted GG...although not a fan of some of their albums.
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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That's what I initially thought but I see the weird pretentious applying more to GG than VDGG so that's why I came to that conclusion. Anyway, it's all good. We like what we like. For me VDGG just packs more of an emotional punch although GG are one of the best of all time also and made some of the most complex prog without being too avant garde.
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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I respect your opinion but if you are going to only like or listen to bands who got radio play then you are only going to listen to 6 or 7 prog bands(if that many). I think I get what you are saying though but maybe not. It seems that you are comparing them to the first prog bands you got into because they were around the same time. But what about later prog bands like Spock's Beard, The Flower Kings, Big Big Train, etc? By your own admission nothing can be as good as those six or seven just because those are the first ones you heard. At least that's how it sounds to me. There's a lot of good and great stuff out there. Some of it just has to grow on you.
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dr wu23
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I'll take Gentle Giant....especially the first 2 albums ,but all have something to offer.
VDGG....some very interesting music and concepts to be sure...if only they could find a decent singer. |
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Never got into VdGG.
GG on the other hand, maybe my favourite band.
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gr8dane
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That's why I like Quiet Zone.Peter's singing seems a little more relaxed and much easier to digest.
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Shake & bake.
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I prophesy disaster
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Do I need to say who I voted for? I don't think so.
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Psychedelic Paul
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I clicked on Gentle Giant by mistake, thinking you were asking me which band I have a hard time in liking, instead of which band is my favourite.
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Argo2112
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Picked GG. I never could get in to VDGG. Not sure why , just doesn't work for me.
I use to be on the fence with GG. It took me a while to warm up to them but now I like them, at least some of their stuff. Edited by Argo2112 - August 14 2020 at 11:32 |
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Dopeydoc
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Exactly that!
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Olape
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VDGG is among my 20 favorite bands ever, but GG is a top five. Loved their music since the first listen over 30 years ago.
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Sacro_Porgo
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Gentle Giant takes it for me. Where VDGG just brush the edge of displeasure to my ears in certain passages, GG never come close. And while not everything GG plays may be my cup of tea, the overall effect always fascinates me and often gets stuck in my head the rest of the day.
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Porg for short. My love of music doesn't end with prog! Feel free to discuss all sorts of music with me. Odds are I'll give it a chance if I haven't already! :)
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Frenetic Zetetic
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Ray Shulman is the most overlooked bass player in prog rock IMHO. Guy is right behind Squire (he's trailing his cape)!
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Strange - these 2 bands are definitely challenging. But persistence and an open mind wins.
During my early days of Prog (mid-late 80’s) I was seeking the most demanding, ‘out there’ kinds of music. I did bite off more than I could chew when it came to Hammill / VDGG, then later, the Giant. They eventually sucked me in to their world, and the rest is history. I think that Death Metal bands were the hardest for me to grasp. Again, phenomenal stuff there. |
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Hi,
I'm always concerned when someone makes a post saying they can't get into something or other ... like it's the musician's fault that the person can not "get it", or "understand it" ... or not find the melody that syncs with their heart. I'm not a fan of Beethoven or Mozart, but I respect their musicianship ... and over the years, they deserve the credit and appreciation they have gotten, and the same goes for GG and VdGG. AND ... KC. The "different" ones are almost exclusively the ones that are remembered, and it does not have anything to do with how you feel about it ... some music stands out compositionally a lot better than a "format" song that is usually most liked here, despite the comments that I get that smaller songs can also be "prog" ... I was not talking about the size ... it's the form, as there are many "small" songs that are far more "prog" than a lot of other things, that are considered "prog" ... You may not like Dostoyevsky, or Melville ... but do you really have to bring out a great marching band onto a football field to show that you don't like them? They don't click with you .... NEXT ...
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Chaser
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Two of my absolute favourite bands, and I love them both.
They both created some highly intelligent, highly creative, very original music, that has depths and layers that allow you to explore their music time and time again and make wonderful new discoveries time after time. A tough call, but I've gone with Gentle Giant. GG had, IMO, a run of 6 five star albums (ATT, TF, Octopus, IAGH, TPATG, and Freehand), whilst I would give five star ratings to 3 VdGG albums (Pawn Hearts, Godbluff, and Still Life) So, on that basis GG gets my vote, but these are two completely awesome bands. Personally I fail to understand how anyone who claims to have an ear for progressive rock music can fail to appreciate the sheer brilliance of these artists. |
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Sean Trane
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Both are acquired tastes, and you should keep trying, maybe reaching for filmed performances to understand the music better. I had bought (used/second hand) Pawn Hearts and Octopus back then (I was +/-14 at the time) , but couldn't get into them. But unlike the stuff I didn't like, which I discarded to make dough & room for other albums, I kept both and I even tried Still Life and Free Hand, cos I knew it was something I diodn't understand, not something I thought sucked. GG took mr roughly 15 years before I started liking it, oncce I understodd many classical/medieval music. VdGG was another can of worms: I WTF'd at Hammill's voice and I didn't understand what Jaxon was doing with his sax. When I had my job at the Belgian TV in the very early 90's, I saw both the Godbluff and the Lighthouse keeper videos (filmed/shot by the house), and if I still didn't like Hammill's voice, at least I undetstood Jaxon's sax. Then I chanced on a Hammill solo gig (I mean he was alone) in some flemish anarchist club (Exito 13, I think, and he didn't get paid despite the fact that there were 75 people inside a room only allowed for 25), I finally saw what his singing was about, and I finally had the keys to understand VdGG and PH solo. Both bands are in my tops today, but neither are for every day spins. I must be in the mood.
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