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    Posted: April 25 2021 at 16:10
..and studio albums too:


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Intruder Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2021 at 11:05
The first thing that popped into my head is the Red-Blue-Yellow Crimo albums.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote zwordser Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2021 at 17:25
 Portnoy and Pardo have some opinions on this topic, at least for live albums...


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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Jethro Tull's A Passion Play. In fact between the Chateau D'isaster Sessions material (The Big Top, Scenario, Audition, No Rehearsal, etc.) and the songs destined to end up on War Child (Skating Away, Solitaire, Sealion, Bungle In the Jungle), a double album could well be Tull's greatest release.

I consider A Passion Play a mindblowing masterpiece as it is now, but would love to hear even more developed story with a bit more attention (more music and lyrics) for every location as some are rather sketchy (e.g. hell). 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Zeph Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 20 2021 at 22:50
I would argue none or very few. I've become a fan of shorter albums the past few years, maybe not unrelated to me diving into the 60's and 70's catalogue. Albums in the 40-50 minute range are great, while those spanning much over an hour feels too long. Few 90 minute albums has 90 minutes of great music and could have been cut down.

I'd rather have two good or samey 45 minute albums than a 90 minute double album, even if they musically would fit.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Anders Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 20 2021 at 10:24
I will go with Gnags - X (1983).

It was actually first supposed to be a double album called Fuldmånen (The full moon) where each side represented the four phases of the moon. They then decided to save half of the songs for their next album, and I always thought if was a shame.

For those who are unfamiliar with the album (most people here I guess), one of the songs, "Slingrer ned ad Vestergade", was my choice for the 80's Interactive Poll.
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Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

 
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Another one for me would be Amon Düül ll’s Wolf City and Vive La Trance. Could’ve been a marvelous double.

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I don't know ... however, after the song Apocalyptic Bore, all of a sudden you had a lot of "single" material, and the band kinda stopped its adventures into experimentation and the longer cuts ... the song AB kinda suggests that anyway ... as the long trip is over and everyone went to the "big bear" ... and everyone walked around like Frankensteins, a way of saying that the whole thing no longer made any sense at all. Stoned for stoned's sakes ... the 21st Century Way!

I like these separate, as they are meaningful differently, although I would agree that the first half of VLT is almost a copy of WC ... with one issue ... the LP I had (United Artists) bought in 1974, had the song Wolf City starting it all, and Surrounded by the Stars opened side 2 ... later releases switched the sides ... and I felt that the conceptual nature of the whole thing was hurt ... all of a sudden the song that was getting played the most (SBTS) is the first thing you hear, to try to get more attention to the band ... the band was not about "attention" ... it was about its music!

I'm not sure that I can think of an album that needed to be stretched out ... but there are a lot of things that make sense ... for example, Duncan Browne's two albums just about fit into a double and later releases were doubled up specially on CD ... which makes really good sense. 

I'm not a great fan of discussing PF anymore ... no one seems to notice the connection between  TW and TFC and realize that these may have been connected and were ... but in some ways TFC is the stuff that was not good enough (at the time) to be in TW ... is how I look at it ... and TFC should have been done as a RW album, not a PF album!!!!

My thoughts are that many TD albums should have been doubles, like the incredible LIVE performances where they showed how strong they were right from the start ... some of the later stuff AFTER Jerome, seems to be asking for more, more, more ... and after a listen to the album about Kafka, I wanted so much more ... it was special! The same for their "soundtrack" for The Sorcerer" which should have been released as a double just like TD's final concert series showed ... which I think is still not released, live or as a CD, me thinking that there is a problem with the "rights" of the film and such ... which is strange and weird ... a band helping make a film stand out better than it did on its own time, and no one cares to even bother to watch it these days!
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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

There is a version of Supper's Ready on the Genesis box set with a long rambling story before the music, this might be the one.


Uhh, but wait, isnt't that one of the songs for which Gabriel re-recorded his vocals in the late 90s? I think it is, and then it is of course different enough from the bootleg version.
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I downloaded the complete set (as mentioned in my post above) a few years ago. Shouldn't be hard to find. I never compared it to my CD with the official release.
No complains about the sound quality.

The complicated story of the recording and the test pressings as found on an old Genesis website:

"The official LP "Live" was re-mixed from tapes originally recorded by King Biscuit. Charisma initially intended to release a double album, but instead cut the recording down to produce a single budget LP aiming to reach a wider audience. Nevertheless plans for the double album were sufficiently far advanced for Charisma to have commissioned test pressings from Philips in Holland entitled "Live at Leicester & Manchester" [Philips 6830.140/1, 13.Apr.73 - 2LP]; the numbers stamped into the vinyl are AA 6830 140 1Y 1 670 1 series. Each label was written out by hand so they all look slightly different. A few of these Philips testpressings were distributed by Phonogram Int. B.V and have survived but are very hard to find. They contain the additional track Supper's Ready, complete with Peter Gabriel's introductory story, and some of the other song introductions are a little longer than on "Live". Besides the vinyl test pressings there also exists a set of two acetates which must take the honour of "ultimate live Genesis rarity".

So well hidden were the surviving test pressings that they acquired lengendary status and many knowledgable fans doubted their existence. Luckily a good tape of one of the double LPs has been used to master "Some Of You Are Going To Die" [Alternative Recording Company ARC 004 - CD] giving more fans a chance to hear the album in its original form.

The test pressings themselves are not "radio shows": they were not manufactured for the purpose of radio broadcast; the opportunity to describe them here is due to independently mastered shows broadcast by King Biscuit and the BBC. Radio recordings of the show can be distinguished from the Philips LPs due to minor differences in sound production - King Biscuit's recording seems more "polished". On that basis I believe "Genuine Genesis Live" [GGL 2/73 - CD] to be derived from the King Biscuit broadcast. Also, the old bootleg "Carnegie Hall" [TAKRL 933 - LP] is undoubtedly the same material and was probably taped from a King Biscuit show. The Leicester gig will have been one of King Biscuit's very first recordings; it has not contributed to any of their more recent retrospective compilations and as far as I know the show has not survived on any medium distributed by King Biscuit.

Supper's Ready from this recording was aired by the BBC on the "Sounds of the 70s" show, hosted by Bob Harris and transmitted on Monday 23rd July 1973. The source was a "private tape" supplied, in all probability, by Charisma and as such is unlikely to have been retained in the BBC archives. A tape containing the BBC broadcast has long been circulating amongst tape traders, coupled with the "In Concert" broadcast (section 2) under the name "UK Tours 1971-1973".

None of the tapes or bootlegs derived from the King Biscuit broadcast include Hogweed, and according to the test pressing cue sheet this was the only track recorded at Manchester's Free Trade Hall (24th February 1973), therefore it is possible King Biscuit recorded the Leicester show and Charisma added Hogweed independently to complete the LP. All versions of this material sound heavily supplemented with studio overdubs."



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^ The tapes that made up 'Genesis Live' were originally recorded for the 'King Biscuit flower hour' broadcasts in the States.. Ive got an old vinyl bootleg called 'Live at the Carnegie Hall 1973' which is in fact bootlegged from those original tapes and includes Suppers Ready.. the quality is a bit rough but its ok; there are probably better quality bootlegs out there.. i'm not sure but i understand that the very few 'White label' double lp versions are actually vinyl transcriptions for radio broadcast rather than 'test pressings' for an official release.. I think Charisma aquired the rights to release after plans to broadcast the show in the States were ditched.

The track listing on my bootleg is:
Side 1
Watcher of the Skies
The Musical Box
Side 2
Get em out by friday
Suppers ready

I understand that a lot of original tapes for many of the KBFH shows were destroyed in a fire in the mid 1980s


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That's not exactly the same one, it is actually from half a year later, but I think it is a pretty similar one. I have both, but I don't remember if there are any important differences. The told story before the song is probably not the same, but then, one is as idiotic ( Wink ) as another.


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Originally posted by Grubert Grubert wrote:

As a fact Genesis Live was planned as a double, and test pressings were released. It would have been rather short for a double LP with about 65 min, but well ... :

Record I:
Side 1

  • Watcher Of The Skies
  • The Musical Box
Side 2
  • Get 'Em Out By Friday
Record II:
Side 1
  • ["Old Michael" story]
  • Supper's Ready
Side 2
  • The Return Of The Giant Hogweed [Manchester 24th February 1973]
  • The Knife
That was the complete show btw, and it is sad that the CD releases still do not feature Supper's Ready as bonus track.
Interesting. Get 'Em Out by Friday is a bit short for a side.
There is a version of Supper's Ready on the Genesis box set with a long rambling story before the music, this might be the one.
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As a fact Genesis Live was planned as a double, and test pressings were released. It would have been rather short for a double LP with about 65 min, but well ... :

Record I:
Side 1

  • Watcher Of The Skies
  • The Musical Box
Side 2
  • Get 'Em Out By Friday
Record II:
Side 1
  • ["Old Michael" story]
  • Supper's Ready
Side 2
  • The Return Of The Giant Hogweed [Manchester 24th February 1973]
  • The Knife
That was the complete show btw, and it is sad that the CD releases still do not feature Supper's Ready as bonus track.


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"Twilight Alehouse" would fit well on "Genesis Live". And perhaps "Seven Stones". These two songs combined with "The Fountain of Salmacis" and "Supper's Ready would make an excellent second disc.


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Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

If we're allowed live albums then I would say Genesis Live. I believe it was originally going to be a double with Supper's Ready included but they decided to make it a budget single album instead.


Good call, Alan.

That's a great live album, it just needs to be longer. With the inclusion of Suppers Ready, Fountain of Salmacis and maybe Stagnation or White Mountain, it would give Seconds Out a run for its money.

Great call on Salmacis, I was thinking what other tracks would make up the second disc. Even as a single album, I'd take it over Seconds Out though.
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Some of the stuff on TFC (an album I love) had been discarded from The Wall so they could confine it to a double album, as I understand it.  But then again I love the Wall but it does suffer from being a bit same-ish and rambling in parts. [The excellent Empty Spaces was discarded in its entirety at the last minute, hence the lyrics being printed on the sleeve which had already gone to press, but was justifiably performed at the live shows.]
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Originally posted by Progishness Progishness wrote:

Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

There are albums in succession of each other that feel like they could’ve been joined at the hip. Carmen’s Fandangos In Space and Dancing On A Cold Wind fx


Or more contentiously, The Wall & Final Cut could have made an overblown triple album.

That would’ve been too much for me...but perhaps some of the tunes off of TFC via Floyd could’ve turned out alright. The storyline/lyrical content is the only real thing connecting these two albums per my ears.

Great call on Genesis Live btw

Another one for me would be Amon Düül ll’s Wolf City and Vive La Trance. Could’ve been a marvelous double.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Blacksword Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 16 2021 at 05:03
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

If we're allowed live albums then I would say Genesis Live. I believe it was originally going to be a double with Supper's Ready included but they decided to make it a budget single album instead.


Good call, Alan.

That's a great live album, it just needs to be longer. With the inclusion of Suppers Ready, Fountain of Salmacis and maybe Stagnation or White Mountain, it would give Seconds Out a run for its money.
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Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

There are albums in succession of each other that feel like they could’ve been joined at the hip. Carmen’s Fandangos In Space and Dancing On A Cold Wind fx


Or more contentiously, The Wall & Final Cut could have made an overblown triple album.
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If we're allowed live albums then I would say Genesis Live. I believe it was originally going to be a double with Supper's Ready included but they decided to make it a budget single album instead.
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