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rogerthat
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Yeah, that remark might be ok in a facetious vein but there's simply no comparison between whatever arguments you see here and Twitter. Twitter is just impossibly ugly.
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Catcher10
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She has a FB page, and she is old too..... Edited by Catcher10 - April 08 2021 at 11:29 |
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someone_else
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I have an account on Veestboek1, but I usually keep a rather low profile these days. I have very mixed feelings about those so-called social media and the negative ones prevail. It's just because some things I gladly use have tied themselves up to Veestboek. I don't have a Twitter account and Instagram is a playground for those teenage girlie-girlies who want to play the top model's part in their own bubbles, methinks.
I hate the idea of being connected 24/7 and the internet of things. 1The name Veestboek is derived from an almost forgotten Dutch word and means The book of farts and burps.
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Awesoreno
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You're describing Instagram and Twitter with the need to constantly document things. Facebook is for spreading misinformation through disreputable news sources and creating comfy cultural echo chambers so you never have to question whether you're wrong or not now.
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progaardvark
Collaborator Crossover/Symphonic/RPI Teams Joined: June 14 2007 Location: Sea of Peas Status: Offline Points: 48809 |
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I don't seem to be having the bad experiences others are on Facebook. I'm "friends" with or follow multiple musicians, many of them in the hallowed PA database. It's nice to see posts from them announcing what they're working on and many times they're much more personal than you'd expect. A lot of my "friends" post funny one-panel comics or memes, and I in turn also do this when I have the time.
Now that's not to say that I've had to deal with trolls and such in the past. You just unfriend them. Sure, that sets my Facebook account up to be an echo chamber of sorts. But that's OK. My life doesn't depend on Facebook and there are better sites out there for doing research. Like others have said, it's another way of keeping in touch with family. One other benefit to Facebook: genealogy of living people. When public records on Ancestry.com only get you so far with tracing a tree into the present, sometimes finding living people on Facebook opens up more current family relationships and details that otherwise are unavailable. So rather than treat it as "that lousy social media," think out of the box and treat is as a resource for your hobbies, for your interests, and, in my case, for data to help me fill in family trees. To each his/her own.
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i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
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Hercules
Prog Reviewer Joined: June 14 2007 Location: Near York UK Status: Offline Points: 7024 |
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Facebook: Definition - a place where ignorant, self-opinionated people meet to make enemies of each other.
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A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life.
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lazland
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Yeah, that’s generally how I feel about it. A mate of mine asked me not long ago, millions of people can’t be wrong, to which I responded, yes they can, and very often are.
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Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org
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cstack3
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I like the "granularity" of this forum vs. Facebook! Many interesting topics, easy of starting a new topic, share music videos on YouTube etc.
Facebook? Bah!! Pox upon them!!
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I am not a Robot, I'm a FREE MAN!!
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Jaketejas
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If you want to know what’s wrong with Facebook, watch the Friendface episode of IT Crowd.
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Progishness
Forum Senior Member Joined: December 10 2020 Location: Planet Rhubarb Status: Offline Points: 2565 |
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It is said that Twitter is where you make friends with people you know that you'll never meet. And Facebook is where you're found by people you hoped you'd never see again.
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"We're going to need a bigger swear jar."
Chloë Grace Moretz as Mindy McCready aka 'Hit Girl' in Kick-Ass 2 |
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rogerthat
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I do use FB for all the same advantages you mention. Rather, but for these advantages, I would long ago have deleted my account. I hold my nose and ignore the toxicity but it's not pleasant. See, what do you do when the 'trolls' posting malicious propaganda are your friends or relatives? Sounds like you haven't been in that situation very often, but I have. In certain countries, it's a lonely furrow to remain a liberal (especially, er, a centrist, supposedly the root of all evil) even though people in these countries, like mine, continue to assail the imaginary strawman of an evil liberal nexus having a stranglehold over institutions. You discover sides of people you otherwise like that you wish you hadn't. And a simple unfollow cannot make you 'unsee' that.
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octopus-4
Special Collaborator RIO/Avant/Zeuhl,Neo & Post/Math Teams Joined: October 31 2006 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 13396 |
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I have never been a FB user and I have recently closed my Linkedin account, too. PA is enough for me.
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Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half.
My poor home recorded stuff at https://yellingxoanon.bandcamp.com |
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progaardvark
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No, I guess that I haven't been in that situation much. Most of the folks I've unfriended were not actually real friends or relatives, though I have unfriended a couple actual friends, a couple co-workers, and one distant relative. I'm sorry you've had these experiences. If I were in your situation I think I'd hold my nose and try to ignore it too. It all comes down to how valuable your positive experiences are as opposed to the negative ones. Once it gets past a tipping point is when you start questioning whether it's worth the stress spending time on Facebook (or any other social media platform). |
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i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
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Easy Money
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I post very little on FB myself, but I scroll through the feeds occasionally, it serves a purpose similar to channel surfing with a TV remote. I got rid of my TV 10 years ago, so things like youtube and other websites are my entertainment when I feel like goofing off. Edited by Easy Money - April 09 2021 at 20:06 |
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ExittheLemming
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I feel a bit conflicted about the whole social media debate as i used to get a ton of spam emails but after closing my Facebook page these ceased almost instantaneously. Although I do take seriously the real mental health issues and tragedies directly attributable to anonymous abusers and I understand how many feel the owners of Google, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram etc should be held more accountable for their user content: Aren't we in danger of blaming the paint factory for the graffiti here?. isn't the posting of vile, hateful and indefensible messages on line an education and parenting issue at source? (we can maybe also throw in mental health to that list?)
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rogerthat
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Yup, I certainly don't think this is something FB or Twitter can 'fix'. If this is what social media brings out of us, we need to fix ourselves. Maybe that's a slight upside of cancel culture. I mean, just BECAUSE you are using a computer or a phone to communicate doesn't mean you should unleash racist BS. So there being a price for that isn't a bad thing (though the mob outing people who didn't actually say anything bigoted is bad with a capital B). But what I am driving at is some sort of social code falling in place as to what you can say in social media (the same as polite society) is a better solution than people getting suspended from FB for alleged insults or abuses.
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rogerthat
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One thing that FB, Twitter, Youtube could all do is something that's already done here on PA and on other internet forums. Which is to simply screen out cuss words. When you find your cuss words hidden by asterisks, you will start to use them less frequently. I am sure IF they wanted to, these big and mighty giants could do THAT. Rather, they should have done that long ago. It would have saved them the trouble of attending Congressional hearings where they are threatened with regulation. But where a forum like this tries to keep things in reasonable order, the SM giants were greedy and goaded vile speech because more usage was good for their bottomline, plain and simple.
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moshkito
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Hi, With one large bit of difference ... in many cases you are not allowed to reply to the post ... and that keeps a lot of "comments" out of it. In PA, the idea of "freedom" and "openness" is actually all right, with the exception that PA has not had the folks interested in maintaining a good relationship with many artists, and even go so far as interviewing them ... one look at one person, who was interviewed and his work is criticized widely, shows you why I would imagine that a lot of artists are not interested in PA ... too many "social media" fans, that have no respect for the music itself, or for the artist, for that matter. Sometimes, in these situations, the comments need to be moderated to help the music and the artist ... and this is something that PA is not capable of doing to help keep/maintain "progressive music" or "prog rock" in good hands and with critical comments ... the majority of comments about the music have no informational value, except that person X would rather have this or that, and certainly not what he/she is discussing. Having opinions is fine, but not respecting the art itself, is another story ... but in this social media world, the art is not valuable and does not mean enough to anyone, as its content gets diluted and distorted to the point of worthless. Same thing, for someone making the call to do a concept piece and then break apart the pieces so they fit a "song" format and in the process really hurt the whole thing ... in my eyes ... But a group like PA, maintaining a person to get interviews and various discussions, is a problem, when the interest is always leaning towards "favoritism", than it is towards an objective study of the artist and his/her work. AND, PA does not have the Admin number of folks to help maintain the bad comments and responses out of the threads, something that a lot of people do not find fun, and interesting. AND, as an artist, would turn me off ... I'm OK with critical/intelligent comments, but I draw the line between that and the stupid comment response that has nothing to do with the whole thing except showing some personality traits that are not very respectful, or cool. IF, we are going to be in FAVOR of the artists, we have to unload a lot of "personal favoritism" so that the ugly comments don't hurt the whole thing ... and in this area, I'm not sure that PA has that conceptual interest in their whole thing ... it's just another database out there that can not appreciate the artistry as much as it should to help the music we love. The problem? I doubt that we love the whole thing as much as we think, when all we reply to are the same posts about 3 or 4 bands ...
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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Progishness
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I note that PA's old Twitter account (which I used to follow) has been suspended by the twitter powers that be. Does anyone know the back story to this?
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"We're going to need a bigger swear jar."
Chloë Grace Moretz as Mindy McCready aka 'Hit Girl' in Kick-Ass 2 |
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