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I can’t pick one album, but I think it would be something from Steven Wilson, Opeth, Tool or Wobbler. Maybe Riverside could sneak in. The biggest challenge is that I don’t listen as much today to the music I played all the time ten years ago. Today I would be a lot more inclined to pick Wobbler since the haydays of Porcupine Tree, SE solo, Opeth and Tool may be in the past.

I have to say though that there is so much good music made the past 21 years. Prog is by no means dead. Some of it even challenge the best works from the 60-70’s.
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Originally posted by Zeph Zeph wrote:


I have to say though that there is so much good music made the past 21 years. Prog is by no means dead. Some of it even challenge the best works from the 60-70’s.


So true!
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Echolyn....Mei
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The highest rated albums (as a sum of all the ratings on RateYourMusic and ProgArchives in april 2019) are:
Tool (US) - Lateralus (2001)
Opeth (S) - Black Water Park (2001)
Porcupine Tree (UK) - In Absentia (2002)
The Mars Volta (US) - De-Loused in the Comatorium (2003)
Mastodon (US) - Crack the Sky (2009)

Only one album from each band is considered, though.


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So, those albums can be considered among the very best in a kind of objective, or more proper intersubjective, way of speaking. 
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The best progressive rock album in the 21st century is "Grindstone" by Shining.
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I really cannot name only one. I even cannot single out one from a specific sub-genre.
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Here are some of the best albums of the 21st century in my opinion (as I can't choose only one):

Arena - Contagion
Echolyn - Echolyn
Echolyn - The End Is Beautiful
The Flower Kings - Paradox Hotel
Galahad - Empires Never Last
Galahad - Beyond the Realms of Euphoria
Galahad - The Last Great Adventurer
Galahad - Year Zero
IQ - Dark Matter
Kate Bush - Aerial
Marillion - Happiness Is the Road
Marillion - Marbles
Marillion - Sounds That Can't Be Made
Opeth - Ghost Reveries
Opeth - Watershed
Pain of Salvation - Remedy Lane
Pain of Salvation - Be
Pallas - The Dreams of Men
Pendragon - Not of This World
Pendragon - Believe
Pendragon - Pure
Pendragon - Passion
Pendragon - Men Who Climb Mountains
Pendragon - Love Over Fear
Phideaux - Doomsday Afternoon
Phideaux - Number Seven
Phideaux - Snowtorch
Phideaux - Infernal
Radiohead - In Rainbows
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

^The over 70 years old remark applies to most on this site. Just look at forum topics and the PA top 100.


I know Ian already answered that, but PP's case is different, IMHO.
I wouldn't call it blatant ignorance on his part, but a certain form of blindness for sure (or close-mindedness)

Most "old PA gits" here have at least heard tons of new prog from all-over the planet, but PP is not only claustrophobic time-wise, but also xenophobic (nothing that isn't "English"). His list basically features XXIstC third-rate non-essential albums  from 60/70's artistes that are far from their best days, and basically only him would consider plcing them on a best XXIstC list. .



My list will stop at 2016 (I guess I should someday update it, as sufficient insight & hindsigth has occured, since we're in 2023, now), and will concetrate mainly on PA-included artistes. There are tons of Jazz-minded albums I have excluded from this list from 2010 onwards.

13        Globalys          Globalys          Bel       2001   

12        P.G. Six            Parlor Tricks And Porch Favorites     USA     2001 

13        Paatos Timeloss         Swe     2002   

12           Gibbons, Beth & Rustin' Man     Out of Season             Eng      2002

13        Espers     Espers USA     2003   

12        Guapo    Five Suns         Eng      2004   

12        P.G. Six            The Well of Memory USA     2004   

12        Univers Zero   Implosion        Bel       2004   

12        Woven Hand   Blush Music    USA     2004   

12        Alamaailman Vasarat            Kaarmelautakunta     Fin       2003   

12        Baku Llama     Eris      USA     2007   

12          Manogurgeil   Unirytmejae   Fin       2007   

12        Van der Graaf Generator         Trisector         Eng      2008   

12           Wrong Object, The     Stories from the Shed            Bel       2008   

12        Forgas Band Phenomena       L'Axe Du Fou       Fra       2009   

12        Miriodor         Avanti!            Can      2009

13        Setna   Guerison         Fra       2013

12        Anekdoten      Until All the Ghosts are Gone            Swe     2015   

12           Hooffoot         Hooffoot         Swe     2015   

12        Rêve Général  Howl! Var      2015   

12        Scherzoo         03        Fra       2015    Fusion, Zeuhl

12        Vak      Aedividea        Fra       2015   

12        Walker, Ryley Primrose Green          USA     2015   

12        Agusa  Två      Swe     2015   

12        Alco Frisbass   Alco Frisbass   Fra       2015  

12        Gösta Berlings Saga   Sersophane     Swe     2016 

  




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Echolyn - s/t
Big Big Train - English Electric (Part One), Grimspound
Maudlin of the Well - Part the Second
Anekdoten- Until All the Ghosts Are Gone
Nine Stones Close - Leaves
Fish - Weltschmerz

to mention a few.
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

I was actually quite amazed that only one person on your list was dead. Old Father Time is going to eventually cut off your supply of 'new' music.

In my defense, I've been listening to nothing but modern Neo Prog on my Prog Britannia blog for the last five months, having featured 120 Neo Prog artists and 550+ albums there, so I'm not completely stuck in a 1970's time warp, even if it may seem that way sometimes. Tongue
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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

^The over 70 years old remark applies to most on this site. Just look at forum topics and the PA top 100.


I know Ian already answered that, but PP's case is different, IMHO.
I wouldn't call it blatant ignorance on his part, but a certain form of blindness for sure (or close-mindedness)

Most "old PA gits" here have at least heard tons of new prog from all-over the planet, but PP is not only claustrophobic time-wise, but also xenophobic (nothing that isn't "English"). His list basically features XXIstC third-rate non-essential albums  from 60/70's artistes that are far from their best days, and basically only him would consider placing them on a best XXIstC list. .

Nothing that isn't English? What about my Dutch, German, Greek, Swiss and Japanese prog blogs? Wink
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Ayreon - The Human Equation


It’s possible I posted in this thread before but can’t be arsed to look back! Pretty sure I’d have picked the same album…

These come close:

IQ - Road Of Bones
Anathema - Weather Systems
Ghost - Prequelle
Ayreon - The Theory Of Everything
Nightwish - Endless Forms Most Beautiful
It Bites - Map Of The Past

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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

I was actually quite amazed that only one person on your list was dead. Old Father Time is going to eventually cut off your supply of 'new' music.


In my defense, I've been listening to nothing but modern Neo Prog on my Prog Britannia blog for the last five months, having featured 120 Neo Prog artists and 550+ albums there, so I'm not completely stuck in a 1970's time warp, even if it may seem that way sometimes. Tongue


I'd be interested to see what you consider 'modern' Neo prog. What proportion is post 2000?
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Nothing that isn't English? What about my Dutch, German, Greek, Swiss and Japanese prog blogs? Wink

I meant in the list you presented in this thread

I know of your national blogs. Smile


Edited by Sean Trane - July 30 2023 at 07:00
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Originally posted by ProfPanglos ProfPanglos wrote:

Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

Shiny-Eyed Babies by Bent Knee.
...

You should really, really listen to Ben Levin, then. The main creative force behind Bent Knee. 



Freak Machine is without a doubt one of my top albums. 


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^ Okay, I'll come up with some international lists for this thread later, but starting closer to home, these are some of my 5-star favourites of British Neo Prog from the 21st century - not including Mostly Autumn. Wink

 5 stars 2022: Arena - The Theory of Molecular Inheritance - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FsG_1yVGmI

 5 stars 2021: Cyan - For King and Country (re-recording)

 5 stars 2011: Edison's Children - In the Last Waking Moments - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEb_s6dSYhR2sUilYyHWZW6y
 5 stars 2013: Edison's Children - The Final Breath Before November - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEbKHW9TOC4-Zapi4reVICNF
 5 stars 2015: Edison's Children - Somewhere Between Here & There - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEaqe7_4Rwsx_4PT1GclZHts
 5 stars 2019: Edison's Children - The Disturbance Fields - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEYHEf24ubCszxUWoKp0qn5e
 5 stars 2016: The Emerald Dawn - Visions - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSNZBQJNoy4

 5 stars 2011: Sean Filkins - War and Peace & Other Short Stories

 5 stars 2018: Galahad - Seas of Change - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRPsgusgtBk
 5 stars 2011: Gandalf's Fist - Songs from the Solway - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kRMeCI2wHmI8OhFvklBv8qRLSje73fLJQ
 5 stars 2012: Gandalf's Fist - From a Point of Existence - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lX_Xw6ScGw1Om0LIdACFFd-FxlPDx6OQg
 5 stars 2013: Gandalf's Fist - A Day in the Life of a Universal Wanderer - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n8lgt-kSPbZJKlRgy8YEQqFhRFShTvJ5o
 5 stars 2019: Grand Tour - Clocks That Tick (But Never Talk) - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kkTxOJG8BJV01Aod6fTRwNk2BMxnziQ6s


 5 stars 2013: The Inner Road - Ascension - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf317MRHUBg

 5 stars 1999: Janison Edge - The Services of Mary Goode - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFB21013D2A0BD780
 5 stars 2007: Iain Jennings' Breathing Space - Coming Up for Air - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m-k1G3-5l988MDK_6ixN0gjIPx7MuQxOw
 5 stars 2009: Iain Jennings' Breathing Space - Below the Radar - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m6vrK5GjmkfHcPTiiInSmPPJnu5ruQ8Ow


  2012: Francis Lickerish - Far and Forgot: From the Lost Lands - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kq-pjlZUbHbWHat5VafAgRa4jb9t9rILI
 5 stars 2013: Lifesigns - Lifesigns - http://lifesigns1.bandcamp.com/album/lifesigns
 5 stars 2017: Lifesigns - Cardington - http://lifesigns1.bandcamp.com/album/cardington

 5 stars 2022: Magenta - The White Witch
 5 stars 2010: Marillion - Tumbling Down the Years - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEaBrUixkwNfLezOUEmDxRQa
 5 stars 2018: Marillion - All One Tonight: Live at the Royal Albert Hall - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEakZ6mkRJZKBkFhmVLxmYej
 5 stars 2019: Marillion - With Friends from the Orchestra - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEYmGh3DybrrqwWegtIEhBjD
 5 stars 2021: Marillion - With Friends at St. David's - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdktF-lL0yEYisQxexxEup3kw66TB3AB8

 5 stars 2002: Clive Nolan & Oliver Wakeman - The Hound of the Baskervilles - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lTHQYyisLyUGXgY9rkU7hxRxL_Lkvc5Q8
 5 stars 2021: Clive Nolan & Oliver Wakeman - Dark Fables - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lsfx_N5E_RLQ_5vSgljMp3OgtY1LiyngQ


 5 stars 2002: Pendragon - Live at Last... and More - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wyzp7tY1bk
 5 stars 2007: Pendragon - Past and Presence 
 5 stars 2009: Pendragon - Concerto Maximo - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO8aH-aUDLI
 5 stars 2012: Pendragon - Out of Order Comes Chaos - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFXrsVDC8Iw_WTNgXw8MWxq-cCtBG90Kk
 5 stars 2020: Pendragon - Love Over Fear


 5 stars 2018: Michael Alan Taylor - Avalonia (The Sonnets of Guinevere) - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lXkEL6wWKJh_UyirC6BwLqdd_2IAyJdUs
 5 stars 2017: This Winter Machine - The Man Who Never Was - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WY2rDKk0-Mo
 5 stars 2019: This Winter Machine - A Tower of Clocks - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKHI7qGLghA
 5 stars 2014: Tiger Moth Tales - Cocoon - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wI6Yu9u24yg


 5 stars 2021: Vienna Circle - Secrets of the Rising Sun - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kJgEXBOwGdf3DPQ_QIgjprp0-1TXedtlc





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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Dear god you hand out 5 stars like the messiah with bread and fish.

I haven't handed out as much bread and fish as it first appears. The long list of 5-star albums above only represents about a fifth of the British Neo Prog albums I've listened to so far this year. If I added my 4-star favourites too, the list would be at least three times as long. Smile

I may have gone a bit overboard with Magenta though. Wink
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

There are a lot of great albums but generally I stick with Weather Systems - Anathema as it grabs me emotionally. However these are all equally great to me in their own special way:

Steven Wilson- The Raven That Refused To Sing (how is this not getting any mentions?!!)
Headspace - Now That All You Fear Has Gone (unusually overlooked brilliant band ft Damien Wilson and Oliver Wakeman)
Kansas - Elsewhere to Nowhere (best classic band comeback ever imo)
King Crimson - Power To Believe (second best classic band comeback ever lol)
It Bites - The Tall Ships (John Mitchell please take a bow)
All Traps On Earth - A Drop Of Light (redefining Symph and RIO)
Far Corner - Risk (best keys based album of the 21st century)
Tool - Lateralus (new prog metal)
IQ - Frequency (more powerful version of this important Neo band as Andy Edwards takes the drum stool for a one off 'gig')
Porcupine Tree - Deadwing (Gavin Harrison rules)
Big Big Train - Folklore (just brilliant writing and playing will do thanks)
Tangerine Dream - Purgatorio (so annoyingly overlooked , TD plus classical singers , it works it really does!)

I also have to make a final mention for the 2014 album by Tin Spirits - Scorch. I am gobsmacked this gets so little attention. Quite fantastic band featuring Big Big Train's Dave Gregory . This never leaves my i-pod. Just give the 15 minute track Garden State a listen . A hidden gem if ever there was.


what a good list even if I say so myself Wink

I would now add Frost* - Day and Age. They scratched that itch that really need scratching.
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