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    Posted: December 17 2021 at 01:15
Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

As timely as today's forum posts, they drop anther one that can't go unshared. I haven't review it all yet so no comment for now.

 
Any list with Gentle Giant in it should also have Van der Graaf Generator in it.
 


yep take away Queensryche and add VDGG and it would be fine. Tool and The Mars Volta feature which is correct. Camel fans might be annoyed they aren't included though..


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More than half of the songs I actually like. Yet I must admit that Several Species and The Grand Vizier's Garden Party are indeed perhaps the very worst songs from Floyd (though the flute parts on Grand Vizier's are actually kind of pretty). Now, I do like Take it Back (I don't care about the U2 similarity). Seamus I don't really like, though somehow the Mademoiselle Knobs version on Live at Pompeii doesn't seem to sound so bad to me. Let there be More Light I find really great... I believe that riff has actually been used a few times by other bands. I would have agreed with Alan's Psichedelic Breakfast for a good while, but now I have found that the little pieces of music within are actually kind of beautifu, only that the noises in between don't really help. I actually love The Hero's Return, one of the better on the album... but... it's got to be the single version that has parts 1 and 2 together... as it is in the album it's way to short to actually get to enjoy it; and The Fletcher Memorial Home is also really a great piece. Mudmen is another one that I like a lot... some very beautiful guitar playing there. I do have a soft spot for Julia Dream too. Sisyphus may not be very enjoyable to me in the middle parts, but the beginning and the end is really cool. The Nile song is also really great, one of the high points of More. Anisina is indeed one of the lowest points on that last album... yet, why didn't Gilmour make sure to get Dick Parry? I'm sure that song could have been fixed if only he had done so. Pow R Toc H never was a song I particularly enjoyed, but once I got to hear the live version on The Early Years I really got to apreciate that one. And a Saucerful of Secrets isn't a song I have liked so much either in studio, but the version on Ummagumma is pure gold.
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Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

As timely as today's forum posts, they drop anther one that can't go unshared. I haven't review it all yet so no comment for now.

 
Any list with Gentle Giant in it should also have Van der Graaf Generator in it.
 


Agreed. Although I thought it wasn't a horrible list overall. At least they had more than DT to represent all of prog metal.  Seems to me they tended to favor slightly lighter fare at times (APP, Supertramp, Moody Blues, Procol Harum), but it's a little confusing to see a couple of those listed when they also seem to know Gentle Giant and Soft Machine deserve spots as well. So... not a horrible list. Kind odd choices here and there, but overall they hit a lot of names that deserved hitting.
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Originally posted by Sacro_Porgo Sacro_Porgo wrote:

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I didn't realize you were also elitist about what drugs you take/took. It's almost funny.

Hi,

Most folks that make vapid and empty comments have no idea. It's all too much for them, and the fact that it rips apart their idea of reality is an issue.

Folks that know the difference, would not even try to make the comment you did!

But, for the record, it's not EVER about the drugs. We've created a monumental idealistic and full of sh*t reality about the drugs, and now we use substitutes from the local herbery that are cheap, and an insult to the "dope" itself. But you would never even consider that you are being ripped off! Confused

I'll agree with you on your first count. I'm not an experienced commenter in this regard. I'm pretty much straight-edge to borrow a term from the punk scene. I guess that's why it seems all the more absurd and elitist to me that you would go on a small rant about how drugs used to be better in the 60s and 70s, and now they're worse, or not even real, or something.  It just seems to come from a very closed minded space, the same kind of space that would argue great "real" music stopped being made after 1973 or 1983 or 1993 etc.  But whatever man, this is supposed to be a discussion about this terrible Pink Floyd list. I'm just gonna stick to that.
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Seamus and Corporal Clegg are meant to be humorous, not to be taken that seriously. I don't have a problem with them.
 
I quite like Corporal Clegg.
 
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Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

As timely as today's forum posts, they drop anther one that can't go unshared. I haven't review it all yet so no comment for now.

 
Any list with Gentle Giant in it should also have Van der Graaf Generator in it.
 
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Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

As timely as today's forum posts, they drop anther one that can't go unshared. I haven't review it all yet so no comment for now.


not bad, only British and American bands though, plus Rush as always. 
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And just like that...on the first slide they say they are going to list the bands alphabetically. Then they start with Alan Parson's Project...(sigh) Wacko
But wait...there's this quote.

"The band's 1960 debut In the Court of the Crimson King"

Why do I even bother ??



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As timely as today's forum posts, they drop anther one that can't go unshared. I haven't reviewed it all yet so no comment for now.



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Originally posted by Sacro_Porgo Sacro_Porgo wrote:

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I didn't realize you were also elitist about what drugs you take/took. It's almost funny.

Hi,

Most folks that make vapid and empty comments have no idea. It's all too much for them, and the fact that it rips apart their idea of reality is an issue.

Folks that know the difference, would not even try to make the comment you did!

But, for the record, it's not EVER about the drugs. We've created a monumental idealistic and full of sh*t reality about the drugs, and now we use substitutes from the local herbery that are cheap, and an insult to the "dope" itself. But you would never even consider that you are being ripped off! Confused
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Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Given that I really don't like anything they did up to Atom Heart Mother and that after Animals, everything was very patchy, I can't really disagree with this list.
I could have added everything on The Wall except Run Like Hell and Comfortably Numb.
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Saying that you don't like PF was easier.
More or less my feelings with Genesis.
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Given that I really don't like anything they did up to Atom Heart Mother and that after Animals, everything was very patchy, I can't really disagree with this list.
I could have added everything on The Wall except Run Like Hell and Comfortably Numb.
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...and let's just say that the list is rubbish. The only song listed there that O'm used to skip is Alan's, but it has its reasons as it was part of an aborted idea.
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Progarchives critic Sean Trane described it as “near-atrocious U2-esque.” Note that a comparison to the band U2 is not a compliment here.

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Well, the guitar style on that track is almost the same as "Blue Light" on Gilmour's second album, released when U2 was some little known Irish band of the 80s. I think it's a typical Gilmour's solo stuff instead.
In my own review, if I remember well, I have suggested to consider it as just a part of a string of three consecutive songs. It can be appreciated as a "movement" into a little suite.
If you think to The Final Cut, it's more or less what Waters did (a little better, IMO) with Southampton Docks.
Another comparison that can be made is with "The Order Of The Universe" by ABWH. The Howe's intro is quite similar.
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Originally posted by Sacro_Porgo Sacro_Porgo wrote:

I didn't realize you were also elitist about what drugs you take/took. It's almost funny.
That ain't drugs, that's full-blown dementia. 
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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Did they get it right ?


Drop some LSD, listen to those songs and then check back!!  LOL



Hi,

Sadly, this is the synthetic age, and these folks don't know the difference whatsoever, and it is very well visible in this board, btw. 

However, I DO NOT want folks simply doing this stuff for the sake of doing it, and just get folks vaping and doing cheapashcrap dope and thinking they are stoned ... they are merely dazed by bad chemicals, and have no idea what the real thing is like, and will never try it, anyway!

One would hope that they could even read a little Huxley, but asking someone to read something, specially here, is like asking them to jump off the pier into the ocean ... "it's too cold", and they haven't jumped in yet!

The music, is not any more about dope than it was about anything else ... when Syd sings about the plane landing upside down, we think he is stoned, but he could just as easily been giving you the daily news in a flash, and we decided that it was stoney stuff instead. Story suggested otherwise, but in reality, not a lot of the lyrics by Syd were so stoned as to right out in the middle of nowhere, and I think that the members of the band ensured that the stuff stayed well focused, instead of it just being an Alice in Wonderland, which it wasn't by very far! It wasn't a child's story, for example.

There is a lot of great music with dope, and a lot more cheapashcrap music without dope that is being flouted as a hit or some meaningful this or that, which will change you life!

I just wish that more of us would be more "real" about things, and not so stuck on silly notions and favoritism, which is that article seems to show ... that any music that doesn't "fit" its list is crap! 

We should all gather up some coins and send the magazine and the writer a very large mirror for them to look at since all they are showing is their Dorian Grey side! And we give them the attention they deserve, instead of us giving the article more "fame" and "hits", because these days in the Internet it is all about the hits, and we just gave them a shish load of them which will gladly help them go to the bank and show that advertiser that they get the hits!

We still don't get it! Same thing some 50 years plus ago when folks were telling some church idiots to shut up ... and instead they made the thing famous, and ushered in the new beta and then video market full force with a million seller and then some! You still don't get it?

I didn't realize you were also elitist about what drugs you take/took. It's almost funny.
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by tdfloyd tdfloyd wrote:

Big fan of Mudmen, all the tracks on Saucerful of Secrets except Corporal Clegg.  Prefer the Mason and Wright's contributions to Ummagumma over Waters and Gilmour's.  Never understood the beef with Dogs of War.  Named my dog Seamus so I like that track.  I guess if you have to make a list some of those others like Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast would be on it and a couple of others but for a worst of list should have started with many songs on More.

More is one of my favorite PF albums... 
Wright's and Gilmour's songs on Ummagumma are fine. 
Live versions of Grantchester Meadows are better, like this one:


Also what's wrong with Julia Dream or See saw, Let There Be Light, or Mudmen... 



Love Mudmen, my fav from OBC, everything is very good on SoS except Corporal Clegg.  Julia Dream,  Narrow Way and Grandchester Meadows are fine.  Several Species is in the running though.  More isn't terrible by any stretch but for me I would have to start there to find a worst of list.  PF is my top band so finding songs to consider the worst is tough.  
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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Did they get it right ?


Drop some LSD, listen to those songs and then check back!!  LOL



Hi,

Sadly, this is the synthetic age, and these folks don't know the difference whatsoever, and it is very well visible in this board, btw. 

However, I DO NOT want folks simply doing this stuff for the sake of doing it, and just get folks vaping and doing cheapashcrap dope and thinking they are stoned ... they are merely dazed by bad chemicals, and have no idea what the real thing is like, and will never try it, anyway!

One would hope that they could even read a little Huxley, but asking someone to read something, specially here, is like asking them to jump off the pier into the ocean ... "it's too cold", and they haven't jumped in yet!

The music, is not any more about dope than it was about anything else ... when Syd sings about the plane landing upside down, we think he is stoned, but he could just as easily been giving you the daily news in a flash, and we decided that it was stoney stuff instead. Story suggested otherwise, but in reality, not a lot of the lyrics by Syd were so stoned as to right out in the middle of nowhere, and I think that the members of the band ensured that the stuff stayed well focused, instead of it just being an Alice in Wonderland, which it wasn't by very far! It wasn't a child's story, for example.

There is a lot of great music with dope, and a lot more cheapashcrap music without dope that is being flouted as a hit or some meaningful this or that, which will change you life!

I just wish that more of us would be more "real" about things, and not so stuck on silly notions and favoritism, which is that article seems to show ... that any music that doesn't "fit" its list is crap! 

We should all gather up some coins and send the magazine and the writer a very large mirror for them to look at since all they are showing is their Dorian Grey side! And we give them the attention they deserve, instead of us giving the article more "fame" and "hits", because these days in the Internet it is all about the hits, and we just gave them a shish load of them which will gladly help them go to the bank and show that advertiser that they get the hits!

We still don't get it! Same thing some 50 years plus ago when folks were telling some church idiots to shut up ... and instead they made the thing famous, and ushered in the new beta and then video market full force with a million seller and then some! You still don't get it?


Edited by moshkito - December 15 2021 at 08:25
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