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    Posted: December 16 2021 at 12:55
I personally canít see any appeal in anything remotely metal related - the whole ethos just turns me off, Iím afraid. One thing I have noticed though is a lot of metal fans are not keen on jazz or fusion (both of which I love). Any views/ thoughts?!?!

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Originally posted by Duddick Duddick wrote:

I personally canít see any appeal in anything remotely metal related - the whole ethos just turns me off, Iím afraid. One thing I have noticed though is a lot of metal fans are not keen on jazz or fusion (both if which I love). Any views/ thoughts?!?!

I don't know what you mean by "ethos turning you off", but I like fusion and a little bit of jazz. I still listen to a lot of metal, throughout the years it's got more diverse, I do enjoy a lot of it. 

There are also metalheads that do listen to little bit of prog, I wouldn't be surprised they know a bit about jazz as well. 
 


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I was a huge metalhead, and I still am a metal music listener. I am more of a classical guy than jazz. But there are jazz and fusion albums that I like very much. Actually I prefer listening to jazz while being performed live. Especially if the music includes free improvsations. For most metalheads, jazz could be a bit too sophisticated. As our regular metal music is quintessentially quite simple. I frankly have no idea if your generalisation is correct or not. Even when I was a huge metalhead, I was quite out of the ordinary. But I can say that most of my metalhead buddies had no interest in jazz music. So, you could be right.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Duddick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2021 at 13:18
I know Iím going to get pilloried for this but I think metal is an attitude you choose to buy into. I personally donít. There are so many things I dislike about it but each to their own. 
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Originally posted by Duddick Duddick wrote:

I know Iím going to get pilloried for this but I think metal is an attitude you choose to buy into. I personally donít. There are so many things I dislike about it but each to their own. 

I dislike certain aspects as well, certain kind of fans and listeners, people that listen exclusively to metal are rather intolerant usually, dismissive of other kinds of music, a lot of times impossible to have a chat with. 
There are metal subgenres that I dislike or can't get into. 

Also worth mentioning, since your thread is called "progressive metal and jazz", fusion/JRF music, guitarists especially have usually influenced prog metal guitarists/musicians, so that's that. SmileLOL
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I'm keen on both jazz and metal. The group Panzerballett combine both with killer results.
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

I'm keen on both jazz and metal. The group Panzerballett combine both with killer results.

Exivious combines fusion and metal quite nicely as well. 
Alex Skolnick of Testament had a jazz project at some point, great stuff.
David t. Chastain, guitarist of the band Chastain did a fusion album in the late 90s, quite good. 
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I'd say the connecting feature in both quality metal & quality jazz is complexity,  so it's not surprising prog fans often like both.






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Almost (but not) every fan of metal I know is also a fan of jazz, and vice versa. Yes, I know some people who like metal, but not jazz (or jazz, but not metal), but they are definitely the minority.

The fact there are so many bands that play a metal/jazz hybrid shows that it is not just the fanbases who can appreciate both genres, but the musicians, too.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Shadowyzard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2021 at 14:10
Originally posted by Duddick Duddick wrote:

I know Iím going to get pilloried for this but I think metal is an attitude you choose to buy into. I personally donít. There are so many things I dislike about it but each to their own. 

Oops. Lost a long(ish) post. Anyway, too lazy to rewrite it now. All I can say is that metal didn't change my attitude. I was always obstinate and my priority was always logic. I can tell many stories about this going back to my 3-year-old self. Metal music indeed granted me power/energy, but it definitely didn't change my attitude. Plus, I've always canalized my energy with a touch of fantasy. Being a real wizard in the material world would be... nightmarish! Geek

Anyhow, here's a metal band that don't try to destroy the world: LOL




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I certainly prefer Jazz, or Fusion, over Metal, specially Metal from the 21st Century.
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Originally posted by Manuel Manuel wrote:

I certainly prefer Jazz, or Fusion, over Metal, specially Metal from the 21st Century.

may I ask what metal from the 21st century you have in mind? 
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A few years ago, I googled "Jazz-Metal" (because I thought it might be a novel combination) and got a list that included Counter-World Experience.
 

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Wow this thread has lost control. Approve

Ohm; Chris Poland (ex. Megadeth) on guitar.

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Before I got into prog, I was into 70s hard rock / heavy metal (but not 80s metal). Although I love Jazz-Rock, I have little interest in Jazz itself.
 

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Your human brain is not capable of distinguishing such fractions as "% of fusion lovers among [a vague definition of some group of people]" and "% of fusion lovers among metalheads" based just on noisy and statistically insignificant anount of personal observations. It is also extremely unclear what this group of people in the first fraction is.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Duddick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2021 at 15:34
Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Wow this thread has lost control. Approve

Ohm; Chris Poland (ex. Megadeth) on guitar.


Not keen, sorry. To me it sounds like metal without the riffs, none of the subtlety of jazz in there. Great musicians though 


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I believe the band Death incorporate some jazz into their music. Or maybe it was Cynic. One of those bands (maybe both). 
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

I believe the band Death incorporate some jazz into their music. Or maybe it was Cynic. One of those bands (maybe both). 

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I like Metallica to Jonas Hellborg. I like Opeth to Steely Dan. I like Dream Theater to Disco. I like Pain of Salvation to Al DiMeola. Good music is good music.
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