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Cristi
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after 4 pages of discussion, what's the conclusion this far?
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David_D
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I guess, many different conclusions can be made.
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quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
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Cristi
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can you express one?
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David_D
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Come on, not at so early point of time, we are almost just started. But I can say about myself that I've got already some wiser, both considering the definition of this topic and the topic itself.
Edited by David_D - February 01 2022 at 04:12 |
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Cristi
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What do you mean just started? You're on page 5.
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Heart of the Matter
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Maybe endless discussion is part of the "prog subcultcha"?
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Cristi
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David_D
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Who knows before we reseach it. Edited by David_D - February 01 2022 at 06:48 |
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David_D
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Anyway, I don't think, it's so important with conclusions here, more like to investigate the topic.
Edited by David_D - February 01 2022 at 06:36 |
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Two people ate peanut butter last Saturday night.
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Cristi
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ok, ignore me then. Keep investigating...
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Jaketejas
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… but not the jazz kids at the peanut allergies table. |
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We'll do our best, Cristi.
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Jaketejas
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If you had asked me in the 1970s, I would have probably said versatility amongst musicians. Nowadays, my impression is that the subgenres are more specialized. As such, versatility is probably more narrow in scope, but more expansive within each scope. An example is Steve Howe. He drew from country, classical, blues, and jazz and could just as easily play with Chet Atkins as he could with Prog rockers. Alex Lifeson could play nylon stringed classical quite well. Nowadays, I think you would find that fewer guitarists in progressive metal can play country or nylon stringed classical guitar. But, within their own subgenres, there is - I would say, trendwise - a higher degree of technical ability. Sweep picking, legato style, alternating and economy picking speed, etc. and a greater usage of alternative scales. Obviously, there are many exceptions to this. But, as a whole, I think this trend is occurring. |
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Steve Howe mentions in his book that he wasn't aware of him inventing a new kind of music called Prog-Rock. Maybe that sneaky prog subculture just came up in the form of critics, musicologists and plain aficionados with the name, the genre and stuff, while the poor guys were busting their a**e* off playing the thing out there in order to earn a living.
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Progressive Rock may well have been a useful term but it came about simply because critics needed a label to apply to a number of bands who emerged in the late 60s, following the release of Sergeant Peppers and Piper, who weren’t playing conventional rock music. I doubt if any of them thought of themselves as ‘progressive’. These things are always applied by critics after the fact.
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45s! I remember those And 78s were the ones my young niece asked about “Is that a big CD?” You had to switch the speed on the record player. |
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According to Edward Macan: Rocking the Classics. English Progressive Rock and the Counterculture. Oxford University Press 1997, page 26, 27: "A word should be said at this point about the term "progressive rock" itself. In the mid- to late 1960's, this term was appropriated by the underground radio stations and applied to psychedelic music in general; the label was used to distinguish music of this type from the pop music of the pre-psychedelic era. Around 1970, however, the term "progressive rock" came to have a more specific meaning, signifying a style that sought to expand the boundaries of rock on both a stylistic basis (via the use of longer and more involved structural formats) and on a conceptual basis (via the treatment of epic subject matter), mainly through the appropriation of elements associated with classical music. It is this new, more specific application of the term which is clearly intended in the liner notes of Caravan's debut LP of 1969: "Caravan belong to a new breed of progressive rock groups - freeing themselves from the restricting conventions of pop music by using unusual time signatures and sophisticated harmonies. Their arrangements involve variations of tempo and dynamics of almost symphonic complexity."" Edited by David_D - March 10 2022 at 03:42 |
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Well...my daughter bought me a pair of socks for Christmas that say 'Music Snob' on them....mind you it doesn't say prog rock though. |
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