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    Posted: June 24 2022 at 08:30
Roe v. Wade overturned! Thoughts? ConfusedOuchAngry
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Well....I think abortion should be legal and have always thought it was a religious (Christian)issue for those against it. It's primarily ,if not totally, a movement from the conservative Christian right.  We are supposed to have separation of Church and State but somehow this seems to contradict that in my mind.
If someone doesn't want to do it ..fine, but don't tell others they can't based on your personal religious beliefs.
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It is definitely a disgrace! People will resort to drastic means to abort now... Unsafe practices and underground abortion clinics again!!!
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It's up to the states now to decide on a state by state basis and some will continue to support the right, but sadly many women will not have access to get to those states.
The same people who are 'for life' and against abortion rights are mostly the same ones who do not support gun control and think we all should be packing. Talk about cognitive dissonance.   Confused



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From CNN: The Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade on Friday, holding that there is no longer a federal constitutional right to an abortion. 

The opinion is the most consequential Supreme Court decision in decades and will transform the landscape of women's reproductive health in America.  
Going forward, abortion rights will be determined by states, unless Congress acts.  Already, nearly half of the states have or will pass laws that ban abortion while others have enacted strict measures regulating the procedure.  
    "Roe was egregiously wrong from the start," Justice Samuel Alito wrote in his majority opinion. "Its reasoning was exceptionally weak, and the decision has had damaging consequences. And far from bringing about a national settlement of the abortion issue, Roe and Casey have enflamed debate and deepened division."
      The vote was 5-3-1. In a joint dissenting opinion, Justices Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan heavily criticized the majority, closing: "With sorrow -- for this Court, but more, for the many millions of American women who have today lost a fundamental constitutional protection -- we dissent."
        The opinion represents the culmination of a decades-long effort on the part of critics of abortion seeking to return more power to the states.  It was made possible by a solid six-member conservative majority -- including three of Donald Trump's nominees.  
        At least 21 states have laws or constitutional amendments already in place that would make them certain to attempt to ban abortion as quickly as possible, according to the Guttmacher Institute, which favors abortion rights. And an additional four states are likely to ban abortions as soon as possible without federal protections.
          Chief Justice John Roberts did not join the majority, writing in a concurring opinion that he would not have overturned Roe but instead would have only uphold Mississippi's law banning abortions after 15 weeks.

          Political response is swift

          House Speaker Nancy Pelosi called the ruling "such an insult, a slap in the face to women."
          "There's no point in saying good morning, because it certainly is not one," she said. "This morning the radical Supreme Court is eviscerating women's rights and endangering their health and safety."
          "Today the Republican-controlled courts achieve their dark, extreme goal of repealing a woman's right to make their own health decisions."
          Former President Barack Obama criticized the decision, saying the high court not only reversed nearly 50 years of precedent but it "relegated the most intensely personal decision someone can make to the whims of politicians and ideologues -- attacking the essential freedoms of millions of Americans."
          Former Vice President Mike Pence praised the ruling, saying the high court has given the "American people a new beginning for life" and commended the justices in the majority "having the courage of their convictions."
          "Now that Roe v. Wade has been consigned to the ash heap of history, a new arena in the cause of life has emerged, and it is incumbent on all who cherish the sanctity of life to resolve that we will take the defense of the unborn and the support for women in crisis pregnancy centers to every state in America," Pence added.
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          You get who you vote for. Perhaps this will shake up Democrats who have voted for alternatives outside of the their party.  
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          I'm not surprised, although early on I thought this could never happen, simply based on all the outlash that could happen and of course all the law suits that are bound to happen.
          Many states already have abortion laws in place banning it, as well many states have laws and procedures on allowing it.
          This will be a constant battle and topic for each state during their own elections, 100% turns it into a political issue. We now have politicians who will be dictating health care choices for women in each state.

          Seems like a damn if you do damn if you don't....I think we would all agree we don't want the federal govt telling us how we are to take care of ourselves medically, but now it goes to each state with soooooo many state politicians not qualified or intelligent enough to do much more than smile in front of the camera.
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          Sad day for women's rights.
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           Very Sad day indeed. This court is going to do a lot of damage before it's done. Wonder what's next? 
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          I think it's hilarious how the most Conservative among us, those who claim to hold individual liberty as their highest ideal, think it's okay to prevent a grown woman from making her own medical decisions.

          Hey Libertarians here on PA, I'm talking to you.   Hey "Freedom Lovers", I'm talking to you.   Hey Gun-Loving Nazis, I'm talking to you.

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          Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

          You get who you vote for. Perhaps this will shake up Democrats who have voted for alternatives outside of the their party.  
          I 'm so glad you posted your comment.  I agree 100%.  The Republicans have been moving in this direction for decades in plain sight and what have the Democrats spent all their time focused on, banning the use of plastic bags in the grocery stories and save the whales.  Well, now Roe v. Wade has been overturned and everyone is surprised.  What's next (possibly another 4 years for Trump as President).  You'd better get off your ass and get the vote out.
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          ^ Something unimportant about saving endangered species and banning a major pollutant while the Republicans strengthened gun laws and made it harder for brown people to buy property ?  

          Just because one of the two major parties is a *Hate spewing, homophobic, Bible-thumping, racist group of psychotics* , doesn't mean we stop trying to improve things.   
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          I spent the last few years doing contract work south of the border, from Michigan to Alabama.
          You couldn't pay me enough to even consider going into the states now.
          Between this and the gun laws (or unlaws)...no thank you !
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          All hail the Taliban of the US.
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          Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

          All hail the Taliban of the US.
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          It's okay, after the children are born we can shoot them with our guns. We satisfy the gun lobby and get rid of unwanted kids at the same time. Killing two birds with one stone, as it were. 
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          That's very pessimistic and really grim. SickUnhappyCry
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          Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

          That's very pessimistic and really grim. SickUnhappyCry
          That, my friend, is 'Murica, and the a**hole majority's opinions in the Supreme Court. Guns now have more rights than women.


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          Originally posted by dwill123 dwill123 wrote:

          Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

          You get who you vote for. Perhaps this will shake up Democrats who have voted for alternatives outside of the their party.  
          I 'm so glad you posted your comment.  I agree 100%.  The Republicans have been moving in this direction for decades in plain sight and what have the Democrats spent all their time focused on, banning the use of plastic bags in the grocery stories and save the whales.  Well, now Roe v. Wade has been overturned and everyone is surprised.  What's next (possibly another 4 years for Trump as President).  You'd better get off your ass and get the vote out.
          Sadly, there is a fundamental disconnect with Democrats, both it's followers and leaders, regarding the ruling President's power to pick a Supreme Justice that will probably outlive him, as well as lower court judges. Democratic leaders have always done a poor job pointing out that selling point to their constituents. While Republicans make it a chief selling point in their Presidential campaigns. Trump, for one, had repeatedly stated in his 2016 campaign that if elected, he would not only pick ultra conservative judges for the Supreme Court but would also flood the lower courts with right wing conservatives. And he has.

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          Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

          Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

          That's very pessimistic and really grim. SickUnhappyCry
          That, my friend, is 'Murica, and the a**hole majority's opinions in the Supreme Court. Guns now have more rights than women.
          Oh I know. A majority opinion of a minority of The People. If I was someone who relished in attacking  a foreign nation's charter I might be inclined to say someone needs to take a pick axe to that old scroll and get their @ss into the 21st century. Luckily I avoid such commentary.
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