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David_D ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 26 2010 Location: Copenhagen Status: Offline Points: 15841 |
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Some Prog albums become the highest rated and can be that for really many years, even the genre/meta-genre meanwhile goes through many changes and evolvements. I'm curious and find it interesting to think about the reasons for it, so I would like to hear if you have any ideas about it. I don't know if this topic may somehow be controversial, but if so, please, take it easy. I hope, you'll find it interesting! ![]() Edited by David_D - September 23 2022 at 02:58 |
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I think there is a bias toward the pioneers--and for those who did it all with their instruments, without the advantages of computers and modern sound processing machines. However, there are a number of albums from outside the "glory years" that have established places in PA's Top 250 (~23 in the Top 100; ~95 in the Top 250).
Personally, I tend to give more credit to modern musicians than many: despite the advantages given them in the process of creating and publishing music, I still find a lot of astonishing ideas being "virtuosically" and "professionally" explored today--in the past 35 years--which is why my All-Time Top 250 Prog Albums looks nothing like PAs. At the same time, I do extoll the "classic era" "masters" for their blood, sweat, and tears, their courage and passion. The fact that so many of today's artists are trying to emulate or use the sound palettes of the "masters" and the "classic era" albums also seems to give credence to the value of those 1960 and 1970s albums we tend to hold up high. They helped create our new neural networks from which we can tolerate and allow other new musics to enter and imbed. Edited by BrufordFreak - September 17 2022 at 08:47 |
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Grumpyprogfan ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 09 2019 Location: KC Status: Offline Points: 12955 |
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It's a numbers game. More votes get more ratings. Modern bands can't compete to bands with 3K ratings.
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David_D ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 26 2010 Location: Copenhagen Status: Offline Points: 15841 |
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And yet, some do. Edited by David_D - September 17 2022 at 11:01 |
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Grumpyprogfan ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 09 2019 Location: KC Status: Offline Points: 12955 |
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^ What bands with their first release twenty years ago can compete with the progasours?
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David_D ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 26 2010 Location: Copenhagen Status: Offline Points: 15841 |
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![]() I give you an answer a bit later.
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David_D ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 26 2010 Location: Copenhagen Status: Offline Points: 15841 |
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If we say more or less the last 20 years, it can be seen on my Top 100 all-time as rated on RYM and PA , and we can at least add Black Midi to the bands on this list.
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David_D ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 26 2010 Location: Copenhagen Status: Offline Points: 15841 |
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Then, I have a question for you. Is the word "the progasours" your own invention? I find it very funny, and it wouldn't suprise me if it made history.
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Grumpyprogfan ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 09 2019 Location: KC Status: Offline Points: 12955 |
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^ Yeah, I made it up, but should it be spelled progasaurs?
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David_D ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 26 2010 Location: Copenhagen Status: Offline Points: 15841 |
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I think, "sours" is fine as "not-sweet"/"not-fresh", and got sour due to the high age, so it's still similar to "dinosaurs". Edited by David_D - September 17 2022 at 14:03 |
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David_D ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 26 2010 Location: Copenhagen Status: Offline Points: 15841 |
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A question for consideration can be whether these highest rated albums have a particular ability to resonate with a very large number of people over a long period of time, and if so, how can it be? Edited by David_D - September 18 2022 at 03:38 |
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All bands and artists have influences, but the influences of the pioneers (progosaurs is a great word no matter how it is spelled) are difficult for many to see because they are not limited to rock. Later bands are influenced by these in turn, so they seem less innovative even if they are just as innovative.
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The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty"
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 30450 |
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In general there are just not enough ratings, even 3000 is a drop in the ocean and only about a dozen albums have more than about 3000 of the top of my head and then its mostly Pink Floyd!
One idea is just to remove the algorithm altogether and just allow the situation to be constantly fluid. We don't really need to see that the top PA album is always Close To The Edge do we. It may more fun just to see it go up and down like in choppy waters while the latest releases take centre stage.
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David_D ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 26 2010 Location: Copenhagen Status: Offline Points: 15841 |
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Someone might think, you haven't seen my Top 100 all-time as rated on RYM and PA with albums rated as much as with 30.000-40.000 ratings, and today the mostly rated albums on RYM have 60.000-80.000 ratings. Come on, Richardh, you can do better than that! ![]() |
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Cristi ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover / Prog Metal Teams Joined: July 27 2006 Location: wonderland Status: Offline Points: 46926 |
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can you please stop mentioning constantly your other threads all over the place. I'm not even the only person to tell you that...
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Gentle and Giant ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 24 2019 Location: Blackpool Status: Offline Points: 4887 |
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I've just had a look at RYM's top Progressive Rock albums and what surprised me was seeing black midi - Hellfire at number 12, one ahead of Foxtrot no less. I love the album too, but strange that it's so high. Edited by Gentle and Giant - September 18 2022 at 05:38 |
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Oh, for the wings of any bird, other than a battery hen
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David_D ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 26 2010 Location: Copenhagen Status: Offline Points: 15841 |
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So would you say that the matter of innovation is important in rating, and as later bands seem less innovative, they're lower rated? |
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David_D ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 26 2010 Location: Copenhagen Status: Offline Points: 15841 |
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Now, I don't know to what degree Phil will think of the averages of ratings as an expression of a "contextual, informed, critical opinion", but on the basis of the quoted here, I think, it's quite possible that he will find at least one of the main reasons for the highest rated albums in their particularly good, artistic quality. And now, please, try to keep to the topic, and not just discuss the question of objectivity again. Also, tell better what you think than what you don't think.
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twosteves ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 01 2007 Location: NYC/Rhinebeck Status: Offline Points: 4098 |
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for me---#1 and #2 are exactly right ---the rest like everyone--I can switch around.
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David_D ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 26 2010 Location: Copenhagen Status: Offline Points: 15841 |
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Written in the thread Top 100 all-time as rated on RYM and PA , 03 March 2022, p.5. |
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