Reasons for continously highest rated Prog albums?

Lewian wrote: The test of time basically means that I still like an album many years later, it still sounds fresh and not dated. Which is obviously very subjective. I'm reluctant to call anything a masterpiece that is only around for a year or a few years. Knowing about lasting influence of an album also requires it to be around for some more time.

For some reasons, Hugh Manatee hasn't been participating in this thread (maybe yet), but I think that it should be okay to mention what he has said previously in relation to this topic, as I find it to be one of the good points of view to present here for consideration:

Edited by David_D - September 25 2022 at 13:26

AFlowerKingCrimson wrote: When a band gets a good reputation and becomes popular then often their popularity will grow. You can call it the band wagon effect or whatever.

Edited by David_D - September 24 2022 at 14:50

Some albums have maybe 10, 15, 20, 30 ratings and that's about it. After a while people forget about them. Then other albums seem to have "legs" and they keep growing. This is probably more common with older bands and albums but there's more recent stuff like that too. When a band gets a good reputation and becomes popular then often their popularity will grow. You can call it the band wagon effect or whatever.  I've noticed on the prog reddit group that they seem to talk about the same 20-30 bands over and over again (same with prog face book groups). There's even more modern bands like that but most of them are prog-metal. "Oh, Thank You Scientist, Haken and The Mars Volta are the cool bands? Ok, I'll check them out."

Edited by AFlowerKingCrimson - September 24 2022 at 09:07

David_D wrote: David_D wrote: Grumpyprogfan wrote: ^ What bands with their first release twenty years ago can compete with the progasours? Concerning progasaurs or dinosaurs, I just got the book Citizens of Hope and Glory: The Story of Progressive Rock (2013) and had a look at it. There's a lot of photos of the 70's bands members but taken in the 00's, and that made me thinking "that's true dinosaurs".  By the way, I don't see the point of all these rather new photos in a history book, and in my opinion it would surely be better with historical photos, and if that should be too expensive to do, it would certainly be better with none, or best with more pictures of the covers. So Paul, my first impression of this book is not so positive. But the first chapter certainly is.

Edited by Psychedelic Paul - September 23 2022 at 15:02

David_D wrote: Cristi wrote: "Disagree" and 'argue" are not synonyms.  Very sorry, according to my English dictionary, "argue" have some different meanings and one of them is synonymous with "discuss".

Edited by Cristi - September 23 2022 at 14:29

David_D wrote: Grumpyprogfan wrote: ^ What bands with their first release twenty years ago can compete with the progasours? Concerning progasaurs or dinosaurs, I just got the book Citizens of Hope and Glory: The Story of Progressive Rock (2013) and had a look at it. There's a lot of photos of the 70's bands members but taken in the 00's, and that made me thinking "that's true dinosaurs".  By the way, I don't see the point of all these rather new photos in a history book, and in my opinion it would surely be better with historical photos, and if that should be too expensive to do, it would certainly be better with none, or best with more pictures of the covers. So Paul, my first impression of this book is not so positive.

David_D wrote: Jared wrote: David_D wrote: I could also say, Jared, that you seem to have missed Lewian's point here.  With respect David, I don't think I did; sometimes my sense of humour can be quite dry and self-deprecating.  Lewian was expressing the opinion that at 17, he was under the impression that at the height of their powers, Eloy had released several masterpieces (he will almost certainly be referring to Dawn - Ocean - Silent Cries) however now he is older, he believes they weren't, rather citing early TD in this vein, with the inference that he has matured in his view. That's all fine and I have no argument with him. I was making the point that at 54, I am still under the impression that Eloy released a few masterpieces, not having matured in my musical tastes sufficiently, to match his own point of view. I'm sure he understood the humour.   Yes, but he was arguing with Bruford's "Some masterpieces, I believe, are self-evident. Even upon initial contact. They are just that powerful.", and pointing that "in some cases it takes me years to realise that I think something is a masterpiece", or the contradictory, with Eloy.

David_D wrote: ... By the way, I don't see the point of all these rather new photos in a history book, and in my opinion it would surely be better with historical photos, and if that should be too expensive to do, it would certainly be better with none, or best with more pictures of the covers.