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David_D
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Lyrics can be experienced to be good in different ways, like poetic, informing, funny, socially-engaged or maybe even culture and society changing. Edit: Lyrics can also be very positively influential on the way all the sonic parts of the music are experienced. How do you find lyrics to be good? And I hope, you'll enjoy it!
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Manuel
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I nwould say profound and meaningfull, like "the lyrics in The Moody Blues' "A Question of Balance."
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I enjoy the lyrics of the following.
Rush Echolyn Kansas Bubblemath Some Zappa Weird Al XTC Elvis Costello Joe Jackson I'm sure I missed a few. |
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Being in English helps !
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Saperlipopette!
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More often than not when it's in a language I don't understand. But I often love Joni Mitchells lyrics and storytelling. Like in Coyote... Rainy Night House... Carey... Free Man in Paris. Kind of straight forward yet very poetic and sophistcated. And her arrangements always seem to match every word sung. Yes, that's when I really love good lyrics.
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They got me a good grade for English at high-school where I used the lyrics of Harold Land by Yes and Forgotten Sons by Marillion as examples of contemporary poetry... Otherwise, I don't have a recipe for what makes lyrics good; I can like silly lyrics, very poetic lyrics, committed lyrics, etc. as long as they're well written, but I don't know what "well written" is about...
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David_D
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Not for everybody, and I wouldn't say, there's much to complain about.
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David_D
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I have to say, Rollon, that I like your posts quite a lot, mostly being informative, interesting and enjoyable. |
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Prog lyrics have been fundamentally life-changing for me!
At university (Univ of Illinois, 1973-77) I had intended to pursue medicine. However, at this time, the USA was in turmoil from the Viet Nam war, and the deteriorating environment made headlines nightly. It was very depressing. Jon Anderson's lyrics changed me and inspired me to pursue a path towards political peace and environmental justice! Getting over overhanging trees, let them rape the forest Thoughts would send our fusion Clearly to be home Getting over wars we do not mean or so it seems so clearly Sheltered with our passion Clearly to be home I thought "I'll be damned if I'll stand by and let them rape the forests!" Therefore, I changed academic direction and subsequently became an award-winning environmental scientist. I told this story to Jon Anderson after a concert in Chicago (35th Anniversary Tour, May 4th, 2004) and he gave me a wonderful, sweet smile! This is my present consultancy....http://www.neochloris.com Edited by cstack3 - April 12 2023 at 21:47 |
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richardh
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Recently the lyrics on DSOTM have heavily resonated with me, especially the first few lines of Breathe but also Time and Us and Them. I have to now accept that is a bloody masterpiece even if good ole Rog is not quite with it anymore.
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Lyrics that make me think and smile at the same time...for me the master of this was Geoff Mann.
Otherwise lyrics that make me smile, chuckle, chortle or laugh out loud; as as longtime UK expat, the lyrics of Half Man Half Biscuit do this and are at the same time a goldmine of cultural information about my homeland.
To some extent also goes for Jethro Tull, Strawbs, The Damned, Ian Dury (and the Blockheads) et al. On the other hand I get irritated by obscure and arty-farty words from the likes of Fish ("Fugazi", the song, for example) or Jon Anderson. |
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moshkito
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Hi, I do not look at "lyrics" any different than I do any poem, or literature ... the "idea" is the same, even if the medium is slightly different. The only thing that bothers me, is someone being "clever" and thinking themselves a good lyricist, which he/she might be for that song, or band, but in general, really poor on its own ... and the truth of the words is them standing up on their own without the music ... you still have the inner visions from it, which is something I like to joke that rock fans lack, which is why they have to be "told" the story! The problem is that the "story" can be a lie, and thus not meaningful, even if the singer makes it look important, but in the end ... you're getting fooled ... again and again, and if I may say so, many of us, at times myself included, still don't know we're getting fooled! And the many thoughts and comments here, at time for me, really confuse matters even worse. The so-called "arty-farty" words, is simply a comment for a person that is not sure what it all means ... Fish, for example, has been downright serious and on topic all his life in the lyrics he comes up with and sings ... so considering him that is weird, when he is simply more educated than the majority of rock singers out there that know nothing but the beat and a song! We might as well call Shakespeare "arty-farty" because half the time we have no idea what he is on about, specially when he is being downright bawdy, which was his way of making sure the audience stayed with the play!
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Sean Trane
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I tend to like socially-engaging lyrics (like Lennon's Working Class Hero) best and putting some spite and irony into singing those lyrics help out a bit. Floyd/Waters lyrics have certainly had an impact or influence on me (either in everyday life or philosophy), as did early Jethro Tull (Aqualung and especially TAAB). Some early Genesis, Caravan, VdGG, Rush tracks' lyrics have also had a slight impact on me. (Marillion's Script is also a biggie, but that's about it in that area) In the French realm, Jacques Brel and Noir Désir have had +/- the same type of (relatively heavy) impact on me. The slam of Grand Corps Malade certainly invite me to have thoughts about what he says. In general, it's somewhat quite harder for me to ignore French lyrics, so I'm harsher and more demanding when it come to francophone texts, but have found a higher appreciation in that area. I would even risk a generality in saying that on the average, French lyrics are generally of better quality than other neighboring languages. ============== There is also another category of lyrics that I tend to listen to are those visually-arresting (if that makes sense), being either funny (the Dog, The Dog, he's at it again), poetic (maybe not that much in Jon's way), or simply a good storyline (Child In Time). Claude Nougaro's lyrics can be profound and finny at the same time. Of course, successive lyrics in a concept album enter this second category (like Gong's RGI trilogy), as long as I dig the concept's subject.
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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Starjet
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Some key points missed in the opening question: ========================================= Lyrics can be experienced to be good in different ways, like poetic, informing, funny, socially-engaged or even culture and society changing. How do you find lyrics to be good? Enjoy it! ===================================================== The call was for subjective experiences, feelings and opinions. End of.
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David_D
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Interesting. I'd also say that Polish pre-1989 lyrics can be very good and suprisingly system-critical.
I love Child in Time lyrics quite a lot. |
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David_D
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Quite amazing life-changing experience with lyrics which can happen in some extraordinary circumstances.
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moshkito
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Hi, A lot of this was what brought me to ANGE really early on ... the atmospheric, the poetic, and the nature of the singing was not about the song ... it was about the story and its content. To me, being Portuguese (still!), this makes sense within the Latin languages, although I have not felt quite the same about Spanish or Portuguese music at all ... Italian is a bit different, at least in how it is done ... for example ... Banco was incredible, but the singer made it happen, with his poetic and operatic voice. Le Orme, was really nice, and soft, and very clean in their lyrics, despite some ... we might consider not very good translations. PFM was really great in the early days, until all of a sudden the "story" was killed, for a song, and that was the end of them for me. Then, you look at a Peter Hammill, and even a Kate Bush, and the individuality is about the emotion and the expression, many times as theatrical as is possible, which to me is similar to the early ANGE (in a weird sort of way), but it becomes something that most people don't like in rock music ... too much individuality and no one understands anything seems to be the problem. But the history of the arts, like it or not, has been about the individuality, so I'm always wondering why a song without individuality, or some of the women you hear on the radio these days that have the voice and know the notes and have no soul behind it whatsoever. Heck, the kitchen and bath scenarios are usually better than that! I'm not sure that "lyrics" are the important thing ... you can take Shakespeare and smash it senseless and no one will get anything, just like you can channel Ian and make it awful. People don't like Jon, because they dislike the idea, the concept and the philosophy which is so far and away from western bullsh*t! Reminds me of Ginsberg ... reading his stuff never got through but one day, in a silly movie about so much crap, he reads his own poem and the words have a very strong life ... same thing for Burroughs ... it's better heard, not read! (we keep looking for meanings and can't find them and it distracts us away from the "lyrics")
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David_D
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While concerning Fish, I can tell that I like a lot the lyrics of Script for a Jester's Tear, and not least on "He Knows, You Know", "Chelsea Monday" and "Forgotten Sons". |
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Cristi
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"arty-farty"? That's harsh TBH, especially applied to Fish's lyrics. I disagree. Jon Anderson's lyrics? In Yes, maybe, but it's never bothered me. I don't like his solo work, so I don't care there TBH.
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David_D
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indeed interesting, Mosh
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