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Well they got Glam Rock horribly wrong, they're referencing 80's Hair Metal rather than the 70's bands.

In prog it's probably Avant/RIO or Neo based on which side of the fence you stand.


Edited by Nogbad_The_Bad - July 14 2023 at 08:37
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Symphonic Crossover Canterbury Electronic Space Rock with a tinge of heavy Avant-Math Kraut Zeuhl makes me think that Brutal Neo-Eclectic Raga Jazz-Fusion Metal really rubs me the wrong way.

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Avant Prog/RIO - although I don't mind Brazilian Prog.
Tech/Extreme Metal - fetch me the ear defenders.
Zeuhl - I can barely even spell it, never mind listen to it.
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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Symphonic Crossover Canterbury Electronic Space Rock with a tinge of heavy Avant-Math Kraut Zeuhl makes me think that Brutal Neo-Eclectic Raga Jazz-Fusion Metal really rubs me the wrong way.

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Any prog-metal that has growling vocals doesn't get my favor, at all.
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

In prog it's probably Avant/RIO or Neo based on which side of the fence you stand.

I would agree, though currently there seem to be many more Neo/Retro Prog lovers on PA than Avant/RIO fans.

Also, I don't think there's too much praise for the Post Rock subgenre that seems to keep slogging on, somehow. RPI may have worn out its welcome, as well. The mystery of what constitutes an "eclectic" subgenre may also deflect some dilettantes or looky-loos. 

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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Symphonic Crossover Canterbury Electronic Space Rock with a tinge of heavy Avant-Math Kraut Zeuhl makes me think that Brutal Neo-Eclectic Raga Jazz-Fusion Metal really rubs me the wrong way.

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Originally posted by Manuel Manuel wrote:

Any prog-metal that has growling vocals doesn't get my favor, at all.

This for me as well.
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Avant Prog/RIO - although I don't mind Brazilian Prog.

emmmmm RIO stands for "Rock In Opposition". It has nothing to do with the brazilian culture. I don't know if you were joking or not but yeahhhhh.
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I don't hate the label Progressive Metal, but it irks me how some bands are assigned this label, but others are merely classed as "Power Metal" therefore having no listing on this database, even though the two genres often overlap or are even mutually interchangeable.

A concrete example: Labyrinth are on this site under Prog Metal, but Vision Divine, a band led by the leader of Labyrinth, Olaf Thorsen, is not. I consider Vision Divine to have more prog elements in their music than Labyrinth.

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Originally posted by Starjet Starjet wrote:

I don't hate the label Progressive Metal, but it irks me how some bands are assigned this label, but others are merely classed as "Power Metal" therefore having no listing on this database, even though the two genres often overlap or are even mutually interchangeable.

A concrete example: Labyrinth are on this site under Prog Metal, but Vision Divine, a band led by the leader of Labyrinth, Olaf Thorsen, is not. I consider Vision Divine to have more prog elements in their music than Labyrinth.



I absolutely agree. I pointed out that there needs to be more metal categories earlier for consistency purposes. I proposed "Melodic Metal" to house power metal, symphonic metal, folk metal, melodic death metal, and any other non prog metal bands that are progressive enough for the archives. Basically for the melodic metal acts, as per the name. Epica, Orphaned Land, Ignea, and Aeternam would be good examples for how it should be used.
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No time to waste then no time to hate
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Neo prog followed by RIO/avant. I find there's good and bad in every subgenre though.
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Well they got Glam Rock horribly wrong, they're referencing 80's Hair Metal rather than the 70's bands.
Yep, embarrassing. I think he actually means Hair Metal and not Glam Rock. Meaningless to include pop and rock because it could mean anything = nothing. But on point with Post Grunge, Rock Rap (but what about Nu Metal?), EMO, K-pop, Smooth jazz, Country, Dancehall.... Personally I've always been somewhat entertained by the Dubstep I've heard. It's kind of wild, aggressive and out of control in a fun way. I actually love a lot of Disco and a lot of "classic Rap" as well (+ some of the more underground newer stuff). Pop-punk sucks big time too (but I don't even like "real punk" very much). Techno and Gospel can be truly horrible, but nither are all bad. Nigthcore and Crunkcore sound awful, but Chillwave comes across as interesting in his description. He should really have gone for Extreme Metal over the more spesific Death Metal (love a lot of 1st generation DM myself). Metalcore and Black Metal is probably just as unpopular - or more.

I'm amazed he failed to mention Reggaeton. Its music that makes me both angry and depressed. Angry at the way it sounds and depressed knowing that it's probably the biggest genre on the planet right now. At least top three. A Trap beat gets tiresome really fast, but there's nothing quite as annoying as that one Reggaeton "groove" (that doesn't really groove) which is basically in all the songs I've been unwillingly exposed to.

Anyway. From my point of view Neo Prog and the type of clean, theatrical and pretentious Prog Metal that Pain of Salvation, Ayreon, Symphony X and Dream Theater represent - are the most hated prog-subs. Although not something I spend a lot of time listening to, I do find the more experimental/extreme metal bands more interesting.



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Staying on the subject of Reggae and somewhat ironically, I'm a big fan of Christian Reggae band Christafari, so I'd like to wish them a holy Hosanna, even though I'm about as religious as arch-atheist Richard Dawkins who, after suffering a stroke recently, received a prayer and a blessing from the Archbishop of Canterbury himself, which is somewhat ironic too. Smile



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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Staying on the subject of Reggae and somewhat ironically, I'm a big fan of Christian Reggae band Christafari
Reggaeton and Reggae got virtually nothing in common. Except that I'm not very fond of the latter genre either. I deeply regret pressing play on that Christafari-video of yours. I don't know why I did. Christian Reggae band should have been a warning sign big enough.
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I wouldn't use the word "hate," but rather "difficult to get into." At least for the prog subgenres. I don't really listen to much music outside of prog anymore, so no comments from me about that.

I guess the most difficult elements of prog for me to get into are growling vocals or lengthy ambient/droning kinds of things with little variation. For the former I would prefer if they just made instrumentals. For the latter, a little more variation (like something rhythmic or even a drummer). You can probably guess what subgenres these elements are in, but I'm not going to single out an entire subgenre because there is music I like in both of these subgenres.

On the forums I suppose the most negativity is aimed at avant-prog/RIO and/or neo prog. Just a guess. I have no statistics to back up the claim. Strangely enough, I like lots of stuff from both these subgenres. I could easily listen to something from Present and follow it up with Magenta and enjoy them both. Many years ago I might have not said this. So, I'm happy with the way my tastes have grown as I've gotten older. The more diverse the better.
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Personally, I hate the overwhelming presence of those prog-metal subgenres like tech-, extreme-, post- and experimental-metal of which the progressiveness to my ears is generally accessory instead of a constitutive element of the music. If tempo changes suffice to consider something prog, that seems to me a bit week... Keep them at the neighbours where their presence is much more pertinent.

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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Staying on the subject of Reggae and somewhat ironically, I'm a big fan of Christian Reggae band Christafari
Reggaeton and Reggae got virtually nothing in common. Except that I'm not very fond of the latter genre either. I deeply regret pressing play on that Christafari-video of yours. I don't know why I did. Christian Reggae band should have been a warning sign big enough.

I get the feeling somehow that I wouldn't like Reggaeton, but I'm guessing it doesn't sound anything like Bob Marley. Tongue
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