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Prog-jester
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siLLy puPPy
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How dare you call my snack bags snack bags, you silly aardvark! May the ants you feast upon exhibit whirlings of psychedelic undulations that reverberate into meteorological metamorphosis! And how did you know i love to eat Poop Tarts?
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bardberic
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OP is simultaneously outraged and disappointed and believes the parties responsible for their lack of journalistic integrity need to either need to take accountability or to be held liable for their careless and dangerous recklessness. OP has lost all faith in the media, and doesn't trust anything he reads online anymore. Edited by bardberic - October 20 2023 at 11:10 |
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CosmicVibration
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Investigative reporting seems to be a dead art. News outlets mostly push whatever narrative they are being fed and spout opinions.
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Atavachron
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^ Tell that to an investigative reporter.
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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CosmicVibration
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^ I bet any real journalists that are left would agree. Are there still any real journalists left in mainstream media, or did they all leave? The major news networks function more like reality shows than news networks!
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Atavachron
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^ You mean the real journalists would agree with my post, or yours-- ? |
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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MikeEnRegalia
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^ His point is that there seem to be hardly any real journalists left in the mainstream media. Actually if there are, they probably agree with his post more than with yours, since he is not attacking them.
Your actual point seems to be that he is accusing "real" journalists of not doing their job properly. Can you give a few examples of current "real" journalism in mainstream media? Then we could look at that and see whether we all agree that it is actually good, and why (or why not).
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Atavachron
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Yeah I got his point. This is why text discussions can be challenging. Real journalism in mainstream media? That's easy, but I'm not really looking to debate who may or may not be real journalists in your eyes. I think of Rachel Maddow (who just released Prequel about the history of Fascism in the US), I think of the reporters in Ukraine & the Middle east, I think of the hard-working people who produce Democracy Now. But again, what I take issue with is the assumption, in fact the complete belief, that other individuals ~ serious people, as serious as anyone else who takes things seriously, who know a hell of a lot more about what's going on in the world than you or I do--- y'know, who have been there ~ are not only fooling themselves but intentionally misleading everyone else. It doesn't ring true and smacks of the current wave of "don't believe anything you see or hear or smell or read or taste or feel or perceive." |
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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CosmicVibration
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I would consider Matt Taibbi to be of professional quality.
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Atavachron
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^ So that's one for you. There must be others... besides I don't think many people would want to tell Taibbi he's a misinforming phony to his face. |
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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MikeEnRegalia
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Ok, I'll bite - about Rachel Maddow: https://www.racket.news/p/rachel-maddows-shocking-new-low Please spare me the accusation of being pro-Trump (which I'm not) - this is about propaganda, and the whole Russiagate thing was, we know by now, pure propaganda.
What you take issue with is something that is evidently true: If you look at the complete landscape of journalism you'll find people who have been working in the field, often literally (reporting from the battlefield), are well respected and quoted by major platforms, and yet arrive at polar opposite positions from one another. That MUST mean that some (or - unlikely - all) of them are either fooling themselves or intentionally misleading people. It doesn't matter what they say in particular, or which topic we look at - if they arrive at mutually exclusive positions, then they can't all be right. The unfortunate truth is that we humans are easy to fool. Those pescy emotions and biases ...
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Atavachron
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^ But if the perceptions are in variance, that just shows the perceptions of those individuals are at least sincere and correct to the best of that reporter's knowledge, not part of one or more scripts schemes or conspiracies, but which will certainly be incomplete and inadequate. But that's just reality. Edited by Atavachron - October 20 2023 at 17:16 |
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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BrufordFreak
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Oh! I was hoping this might be a discussion/appreciation thread for the underappreciated 1980s international pop group that worked with Trevor Horn and others. Oh well.
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Drew Fisher
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siLLy puPPy
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Shake yer booty to the REAL Propaganda in the house! |
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Sean Trane
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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David_D
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The big narratives are not only about facts but also about ideologies, and thus deeply sticking and complicated - which doesn't mean, they're impossible to deal with, it just needs quite a bit of effort.
Edited by David_D - October 21 2023 at 07:05 |
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quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
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MikeEnRegalia
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^ I would say that the big narratives are mostly about ideologies. All of them include facts, fake facts, correct assumptions and wrong assumptions, which makes it really hard to figure them out. Congratulations if you managed to do it, in which case I would wonder how you can be certain of it. I have put a lot of effort in the attempt, and I would say that I know a lot more about many of them than the typical person does, yet I am in no way certain that I have figured them out.
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MikeEnRegalia
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This is the problem: If you dig just a little bit into the mainstream media news, you find lots of contradictions. I agree that none of it is trustworthy anymore, but if that is so, how can you even approach media "literacy"? Of course I know which event you are refering to, and I agree - but there are probably deeper layers of understanding that are more difficult to fathom and also more problematic in terms of ideology than just the direct debunking of the mainstream message covering it.
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David_D
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A world without ideologies would be a world of populism, selfishness and a lot of other bad things - which doesn't mean all ideologies are good.
Edited by David_D - October 22 2023 at 12:51 |
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quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
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