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raindance 
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Posted: October 27 2005 at 17:34 |
Without a doubt one of the most influential artists of the 20th century! But would you consider any of his solo albums prog? I would argue no! When I listen to his solo albums [which I love by the way], I hear many styles and influences, ie. pop, latin, new age ect but not prog IMHO!
Your thought please!
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Posted: October 27 2005 at 17:56 |
Yeah, I think his post-Genesis music is a sub-genre of prog-metal. 
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Posted: October 27 2005 at 18:01 |
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Yeah, I think his post-Genesis music is a sub-genre of prog-metal.
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i like a lot Gabriel´s music, and yeah i consider it prog, maybe art rock, ..and yeah he has a lot of pop too.. but he is a prog artist
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Posted: October 27 2005 at 18:02 |
bluetailfly wrote:
Yeah, I think his post-Genesis music is a sub-genre of prog-metal.
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which is exactly the reason why you shouldnt think too much...
I like Gabriel as an Art Rock performer,I think he fits that to a tee. Love his soundtrack,Passion too.Progressive World Music? 
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Posted: October 27 2005 at 18:12 |
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Agreed. Art Rock.
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Posted: October 27 2005 at 18:16 |
raindance wrote:
Without a doubt one of the most influential artists of the 20th century! But would you consider any of his solo albums prog? I would argue no! When I listen to his solo albums [which I love by the way], I hear many styles and influences, ie. pop, latin, new age ect but not prog IMHO!
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I agree with that and think that because of that, his work as a solo artist refers to art rock... It is way much different than Phil Collins solo project and don't think it compares to it.
Now, if you are wondering weather Phil Collins' solo career could be prog, then I would said hell noooo... 
Just the fact that Gabriel's career as a solo artist has so many influences and styles (not just one), I would consider him as progressive... Besides, did you know that Bobby Fripp used to play on three consecutive albums since 1977...???
I didn't know that!
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Posted: October 27 2005 at 18:18 |
Very inventive; no doubt about that. I'd agree with him being called "art rock", but not in a prog sense - although, to be honest, I never really associate the term art rock with prog anyway
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Posted: October 27 2005 at 22:54 |
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His new album sounds somewhat like NIN. Then again, I think some of Trent Reznor's albums belong here too.
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Posted: October 27 2005 at 23:03 |
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yes gabriel is a prog related music.
the best disc of gabriel is SO ,this album is pop/progressive.
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Posted: October 27 2005 at 23:05 |
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Gabriel's solo albums are incredible IMO. I feel that he is the best at
conveying his emotions whether it be in Genesis or in his solo career. I don't
think that you can really call the music "prog" but he is a prog artist, that
brings a prog mindset to his own form of music.
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Posted: October 27 2005 at 23:18 |
Gianthogweed wrote:
His new album sounds somewhat like NIN. Then
again, I think some of Trent Reznor's albums belong here
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I agree. On both points. Especially The Downward Spiral and The Fragile.
I'm listening to Peter Gabriel '3' and it defintely has a progressive
feel. But like everyone else has said, I don't think he can
comfortably fit under prog rock.
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Posted: October 28 2005 at 00:00 |
Gianthogweed wrote:
His new album sounds somewhat like NIN. Then
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I don't see this connection at all. Maybe I just haven't heard the right (or enough) NIN songs to compare.
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Posted: October 28 2005 at 00:02 |
He's an arty feller, all right, but I must admit he's in male solo artiste section of my collection, while my Steve Hackett albums (and Rick Wakeman and Robert Wyatt for that matter) are in my prog section ...
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Posted: October 28 2005 at 00:04 |
Trotsky wrote:
He's an arty feller, all right, but I must admit he's in
male solo artiste section of my collection, while my Steve Hackett albums
(and Rick Wakeman and Robert Wyatt for that matter) are in my prog section
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He fits in conveniently right before my Genesis albums. I couldn't separate them. It just wouldn't seem right.
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Posted: October 28 2005 at 00:23 |
You all know I can't admire more Gabriel Genesis, but don't believe most of his work after Genesis (Maybe even after PG1 and 2) is Progressive.
The only thing that matters for me in this case is that it's quality music (Except OVO) despite the genre, still love most of his work.
Iván
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Posted: October 28 2005 at 01:14 |
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If you compare his solo efforts to those of Genesis while he was a member,
then his solo material isn't prog in the least. And if you call his solo efforts
prog related, it's only because of his prior association with Genesis. Let's
face it, his solo stuff isn't prog at all. Not even close.
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Posted: October 28 2005 at 02:07 |
Of course Peter Gabriel's solo efforts are Progressive Rock, early on the 80's he was re-defining progressive rock mixing English Prog with Kosmiche Musik styles. His later efforts drifted more into the World Music scene. Peter Gabriel -3 was a landmark in Progressive Rock and should be recognized as such. Mid period Kraan could be a precursor to Gabriels efforts blending Kosmiche with English and American Prog styles. If PROG ROCK aint progressing it aint Progressive Rock. These artists are much more intellectually stimulating than almost any PORG METAL or NANO PROG! Yes, NIN early on was Progressive Rock but it had been relabeled as Industrial Pop or something else by the early 90's. Messing progressive sensibility with melodic industrial electronics. Rockers today wouldnt know progressive rock if it laid down in front of them. Depeche Mode in the early 90's again, european style eletronica with abstract or dark melodic lyrics. Much more progressive than rehashed, semi talented dream boys(with a few new studio tricks to flower it up) wishing to be their idols and producing weak imitations.  THE TERM PROGRESSIVE ROCK CANNOT AND SHOULD NOT BE DEFINED BY SOME EARLY 70'S PSYCHEDELIC ELECTRONIC ROCK MOVEMENT IN ENGLAND AND SOME PANTYWAIST TRIO FROM CANADA SINGING ABOUT FAIRY TALES. YOUR TRAPPIING YOUR BRAIN IN A GOVERNMENT/RECORD INDUSTRY NOOSE! imo
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Posted: October 28 2005 at 03:31 |
Don Quito wrote:
... Besides, did you know that Bobby Fripp used to play on three consecutive albums since 1977...???
I didn't know that!
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Yes, besides the guitar Fripp played the banjo on "Excuse Me" (which also features Tony Levin on tuba). On Gabriel's second album Fripp is credited for production and for co-writing the track "Exposure". Later on Fripp used an alternative version of that track for his own solo album which also was entitled "Exposure".
BTW, for me Peter Gabriel is a true progressive artist.
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Posted: October 28 2005 at 03:51 |
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Not all Of Peters work is prog but is all great.I feel the early stuff produced by Robert Fripp is very prog but just likr Phill when he started thinking with his dick things went pop.
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Posted: October 28 2005 at 05:32 |
PG seems to produce his greatest work when he names the albums incredibly short... My fave albums are Us and Up
btw, he may not be deemed exactly as prog (at least n some cases), but he's the perfect example of Art-Rock as it is defined today.
I say today, because (as Ivan told me) art-rock was used to refer to all kind of progressive music in the beginning, but in time its meaning has been limited to "a borderline between mainstream music (pop and hard rock, in this instance) and sophisticated rock". This is the definition of art-rock in all sources other than progarchives. For some reason, PA exalts ARt-Rock to a higher degree, substituting it with an obscure "Prog-Related" section... hence Peter Gabriel's inclusion in that section (and likewise, Supertramp, Styx, Jon Anderson etc...)
and DallasBryan: you needen't bash Rush when trying to exalt Peter Gabriel. The two are incomparable IMHO (though both used to be in Art-Rock section before) and I love them both...
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