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Olympus
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Topic: The Real Thing Posted: December 12 2005 at 00:34 |
I was just thinking that there are some pop/Rock bands out there who think they are really bad ass, for example Green Day. But when compared to bands like Opeth, Metallica and Dream Theater they are just weak and insignificant. I hate it when band pretend to be really mean but they just put on the act to get publicity.
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"Let's get the hell away from this Eerie-ass piece of work so we can get on with the rest of our eerie-ass day"
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con safo
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Posted: December 12 2005 at 00:44 |
I dont see where all the Green Day hate comes from. Frankly they never
try to be something they're not, never claim to be the best band in the
world, and generally are very down to earth guys... Is it because its
popular? .. come on you can admit it
They're nothing amazing or revolutionary but they release solid albums
and never give into whats popular, they create music for themselves and
always have.. and billie joe is quite a good song writer. They just
happen to be extremely popular.
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Alpine Jones
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Posted: December 12 2005 at 01:11 |
Olympus wrote:
<P =Msonormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #111111; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">I was just thinking that there are some pop/Rock bands out there who think they are really bad ass, for example Green Day. But when compared to bands like Opeth, Metallica and Dream Theater they are just weak and insignificant. I hate it when band pretend to be really mean but they just put on the act to get publicity.<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN>
| I really do not think that Green Day has an ego problem. To me they are just another pop band portraying there music to the best of their ability (which is not much). Nonetheless, Green Day has a talent for writing hit songs.
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con safo
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Posted: December 12 2005 at 01:14 |
Alpine Jones wrote:
Olympus wrote:
<P =Msonormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #111111; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">I was
just thinking that there are some pop/Rock bands out there who think
they are really bad ass, for example Green Day. But when compared to
bands like Opeth, Metallica and Dream Theater they are just weak and
insignificant. I hate it when band pretend to be really mean but they just
put on the act to get publicity.<?:namespace prefix = o ns =
"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN>
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I really do not think that Green Day has an ego problem. To me they are
just another pop band portraying there music to the best of their ability
(which is not much). Nonetheless, Green Day has a talent for writing hit
songs. |
But their formula hasnt changed since their earlier (and extremely
UN-successful) albums, they've simply been creating the music they
always loved, and their writing styles have developed very well. I have
no problem with Green Day, in fact they were one of my first obsessions
in music. They recieve alot of hate here simply because they're
popular. And the same would happen with any band, because its not cool
to like a popular band.
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Moatilliatta
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Posted: December 12 2005 at 01:43 |
I'm going to agree with con safo. I have no problem with Green Day.
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Olympus
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Posted: December 12 2005 at 04:34 |
Okay maybe Green day was a bad example (This poll dosn't have any thing to do with Green Day so STOP talikng about it you guys are missing the point)
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"Let's get the hell away from this Eerie-ass piece of work so we can get on with the rest of our eerie-ass day"
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A'swepe
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Posted: December 12 2005 at 10:13 |
While not a fan of Green Day, I certainly can't fault them taking advantage of their popularity. Who among us would not do the same?
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Olympus
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Posted: December 19 2005 at 05:04 |
A'swepe wrote:
While not a fan of Green Day, I certainly can't fault them taking advantage of their popularity. Who among us would not do the same? |
Good point
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"Let's get the hell away from this Eerie-ass piece of work so we can get on with the rest of our eerie-ass day"
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goose
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Posted: December 19 2005 at 05:10 |
Olympus wrote:
<P =Msonormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #111111; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">I was just thinking that there are some pop/Rock bands out there who think they are really bad ass, for example Green Day. But when compared to bands like Opeth, Metallica and Dream Theater they are just weak and insignificant. I hate it when band pretend to be really mean but they just put on the act to get publicity.<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN> | And more out there than Dream Theater, there are another hundred bands even in prog metal, let alone prog rock. There's always someone more than any band anyone's likely to find.
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Logos
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Posted: December 19 2005 at 10:38 |
con safo wrote:
I dont see where all the Green Day hate comes from. | Could it be because Green Day is another band that is f**king terrible but also very popular?
Edited by Logos
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: December 19 2005 at 10:43 |
The only case of "pretending to be mean" that I found laughable was Avril Lavigne performing Metallica - Fuel. I mean, she's a reasonably good musician (considering her age and background), but it just doesn't make sense for her to try to emulate Hetfield.
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chopper
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Posted: December 19 2005 at 13:06 |
Logos wrote:
con safo wrote:
I dont see where all the Green Day hate comes from. |
Could it be because Green Day is another band that is f**king terrible but also very popular? |
If they're very popular, they must be doing something right. They're
only "f**king terrible" in your opinion and not everyone has the same
opinion as you.
Personally I think Green Day are ok.
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soundsweird
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Posted: December 20 2005 at 02:23 |
The key phrases here for me are "think they are really bad ass", "pretend to be really mean" and "put on an act".
This for me is the big difference between the progressive rock of the 70's and the metal/punk/alternative/hip-hop music of the last 15 years or so. There was no such thing as attitude back then (I don't consider attitude-laden glam-rock part of the progressive movement). The musicians let their instruments and compositional skills do the talking. Nowadays, simply substitute in-your-face screaming and cliched, distorted guitar chord progressions. It makes the powerless, blue-collar, uneducated kids feel powerful and hip, and helps them "belong". Oops! I'm hyperventilating! Actually, I do like to listen to a lot of abrasive, loud music; the difference is, it's creative, not carbon-copy; the lyrics are thought-provoking, not neanderthal cynicism; and the artists are interested in presenting new sounds.
I have nothing against any of the groups mentioned, but I won't be buying any of their products. They're the kind of musicians who, when they turned 16 and were initially inspired by some band to form their own group, said "That's the kind of music I'm gonna do!".... I'd rather listen to music done by someone who would say "I really love this band, but I respect them enough not to steal their ideas; I'm going to come up with something original." And the way to do that is to listen to TONS of music in various styles, both good and bad. They'll never sell many records, but they'll have credibility and the respect of those who know music that "rings true".
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