flower Kings ... as good as genesis??

Maybe I will give you an answer in 20 years... It is not the first time in this forums that I read opinions like this one (very respectable of course) but IMO still is too soon for appreciations like this one. Time and new generations are the best -and sometimes pitiless- judges...

Anyway TFK is a great band but is not one of my top 10...

Moatilliatta wrote: I'm going to go ahead and agree with you. The Flower Kings' musicianship and compositions are at the same level of quality, and I find them very enjoyable. The only thing is that Genesis was way before The Flower Kings. I think that's why everybody writes stuff like this off so quickly. The music is as good, but it's not as important (historically) or influential. I think it's unfair to judge based on the aforementioned. It's like this in all areas of music it seems. When you ask someone who the greatest guitarist of all time is, majortiy vote will probably be to Jimi Hendrix. Why is this? Surely, it isn't because of his skill or songwriting. It's because of his groundbreaking ideas and techniques. He influenced so many. Nowadays, if you put Jimi up against (roughly) any guitarist (especially in prog), the other guy will destroy him. So, I think The Flower Kings are as good, and as enjoyable as Genesis, but they will never get as much credit because of their chronological place in music.

    
Not true at all. Once again, people glorifying prog guitarists just because they play prog. 99% of prog guitarists couldn't come near Hendrix's playing. It wasn't about technicality, it was about the emotion of the song and the style of playing. Petrucci could come in and play 5000 notes to Hendrix's one, but no one would be affected by it. Too many notes don't mean you are a better guitarist. Once again, you can teach scales, but you can't teach how to play with emotional feel. The feel that Hendrix had.

I think that if TFK would had made Unfold The Future in 1972 everybody would agree that it was a masterpiece. My point is that TFK's music quality is as good a Genesis or Yes, maybe they can't reach the level of emotionality that this two bands have, but if we analize only the music , i would  say thy're on the same level, and even that TFK is better in some passages.  

ivansfr0st wrote: Rorro wrote: I think that if TFK would had made Unfold The Future in 1972 everybody would agree that it was a masterpiece.   Haha, this seems like the most common excuse I hear from a TFK fan explaining why the majority doesn't believe that TFK is the greatest thing since sliced pancakes.   In response to this excuse: no, if they were active during 1972, they simply wouldn't have the fundamental genius groups to rip off and would end up... with an album that sounded like 50's rock? smooth jazz? If they were the same people, they'd come up with something unoriginal, derivative and uninspired. It DOES matter that their music is being made 30 years late than it was supposed to.    -- Ivan

With modern you mean "symphonic of the 90's" ?, if that's modern IMO Anglagärd is the best, but it's said to be retro prog.

You're right saying that without genesis TFK would never have existed.

MikeEnRegalia wrote: Rorro wrote: You're right saying that without genesis TFK would never have existed.   I don't think so. Stolt was already around in the 70s with Kaipa. Of course they were also influenced by Genesis and Yes, but I'm sure they would also have made very interesting music without this influence.

Rorro wrote: With modern you mean "symphonic of the 90's" ?, if that's modern IMO Anglagärd is the best, but it's said to be retro prog.

Are you crazy? - TFK are a second hand plagiat band with gifted musicians and a good sound engineer. That's all!!

Their compositions have no substance. You can take off a part of a song. Nothing gets better or worse. This is the proof of nonsense. Real music is stuck on a rigid timline. GENESIS are the masters of construction songs as a whole.

The most ridiculous with the TFK is the singer. He tries desperately to sound like John Wetton. He has no bad voice at all. But it is copy. Would you buy tami if you can get gold?

The music of TFK is appropriate to be played in big supermarkets. Even the grandmas would accept it. If you play GENESIS or YES albums in a mall people would kill you or the mall runs down.

To compare the music of GENESIS (YES, GENTLE GIANT etc.) with that of TFK is like comparing US-Today with THE TIMES. There is no link, no similarity. TFK try hard to express themselves with means of the past. That is ok. No doubt. But it has nothing to do with the niveau of the groups of the seventies.

In "Retropolis" Track 4, at 9:00 min, they sound like YES and John Wetton together. Absolutely ridiculous. Really.

If someone likes this music. Wonderful. But do not compare it to GENESIS or the rest of the scenery of the 70-ies.

My statement does not mean they are bad. Sincerly.

Hope I'm not too harsh with this thread.

Genesis has the historical importance and the fascination that TFK can't have, so I consider Genesis a much more important prog band than TFK, but nevertheless I enjoy listening to TFK as much as Genesis. Of course this is my personal feeling, but I want to point out that my appreciation of TFK has grown after many many listens: I liked them very little at first listen.
I really can't understand nor tolerate all this ostility towards this band: the accusation of unoriginality and plagiarism is a commonplace IMO. You TFK haters should try a more attentive and not prejudicial listen. Then, if you will remain in the same opinion I will respect it, but at the moment I consider your prejudicial bashing as an offence to people who find TFK music interesting and enjoyable.