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Ghandi 2 
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Posted: May 24 2006 at 12:42 |
Don't people proofread their album art? For example, on [booming voice] THE DEFINITIVE EDITION REMASTER [/booming voice] of Foxtrot, Horizons is spelled "Horizon's" on the BACK COVER! Not hidden in the lyrics sheet, but on the back cover--what everyone sees before they buy the album in a store! A cursory glance would have cought that! And on the actual lyrics there are numerous typos, including dragons spelled as "dragon's." All it would take to catch those errors is to have somebody with a reasonably competant grasp of English grammar read over everything earlier than 3 am the night before the packaging is due to start being manufatured. And unless Gabriel was trying to be cute, Lover's Leap really should be Lovers' Leap--One lover leaping would be rather lame, don't you think? And if only one lover leaped, the place probably would not be called that.
On a semi-related topic: I keep seeing the album Olias of Sunhillow everywhere. People are recommending it, and a few people have it in their signature. So the first time I saw it I laughed and thought, what a stupid album title. But now it's creeping into my head, and I can't get it out and it's starting to make me very angry. I'm not sure why--maybe because it sounds like a ridiculously hippie title. (although you would think that wouldn't bother me, with my taste in music. I think the rage has a simpler cause; I can't even explain why. It just makes me ANGRY! Just like the lyrics on CTTE fill me with rage; I'm not even completely sure why. Syd's nonsense lyrics don't bother me; I even got used to The Mars Volta's insane nonsensical lyrics. But part 3 of CTTE makes me want to smash something.
BTW: I have nothing against Olias; I haven't heard I single second of it, so I am not commenting on its musical quality.
Do simple, lazy errors bother anyone else? Does Anderson's writing bother anyone esle? Or am I just crazy?
Edited by Ghandi 2 - May 24 2006 at 12:43
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Posted: May 24 2006 at 12:48 |
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it is not just you, these things bother me too.
However, I have done a fair amount of proof reading in my time, and it is AMAZING the tricks your eyes/mind can play! It does not always come down to laziness. Although, with a company of this size, there really should be no excuse!
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Posted: May 24 2006 at 13:01 |
No, no, of course you're not crazy *backs away very slowly*
Seriously, the grammatical negligence bothers me too. As for the
rest, well your ranting is a tad insa... (never call a crazy person
insane). Well, let's just say it's a little over-the-top,
over-the-rainbow, truly gone fishing. 
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Just a fanboy passin' through.
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Posted: May 24 2006 at 13:43 |
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Sorry, the word "crazy" is inappropriate. The politically correct reference is "reality challenged." And yes, the lack of good proofing is maddening to me. Especially when I'm reading a book by a best-selling author from a well-respected publisher and I come across blatant mistakes in the text. I'm not surprised that you find them on cd packaging at all. I fear it will only get worse as the younger generation continues down the road toward resorting to grunts and gestures to communicate. The horror. The horror....
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Empathy
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Posted: May 24 2006 at 13:49 |
 Chicapah wrote:
Sorry, the word "crazy" is inappropriate. The
politically correct reference is "reality challenged." |
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Pure Brilliance: 
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Posted: May 24 2006 at 15:17 |
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Yes, shoddy work on CD covers really annoys me and Olias of Sunhillow is one of the worst examples. On my edition of it, they took the wonderful book that came with the vinyl album and just reprinted the outside cover, so you get the first 2 and the last 2 pages, which is just ridiculous. You don't even get the full track listing and the print is so small you need an ant with a magnifying glass to read it. That makes me angry.
But the album itself is one of the most relaxing in my collection. I don't see why the title should make you angry. It shouldn't be a surprise that the man who wrote "Circus of Heaven" should come up with a "hippy" title.
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Posted: May 24 2006 at 15:28 |
This would be Olia's of 'Sunhillow? As done by Jon Ander'son of Ye's ? 
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Posted: May 24 2006 at 15:39 |
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Nothing wrong with Anderson's lyrics, but misprints on
album covers and in books really bother me. For example, on the cover
of the definitive edition of Tangerine Dream's Phaedra the name of the
second track is "Mysterious Semblance at the Stand of Nightmares", instead of Strand. This is just horrible!
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Posted: May 24 2006 at 16:43 |
Ghandi 2 wrote:
Do simple, lazy errors bother anyone else? Does Anderson's writing bother anyone esle? Or am I just crazy? |
Yep, mad as a mad-thing! Seriously, you are a person after my own heart. Typos are bad enough, but what annoys me most is the increasing number of people who don't know the difference. For example: the difference between there and their. Or between chose and choose. Or lose and loose. Or your and you're. I could go on .... People for whom English is not their first language can be excused, but otherwise it is very depressing.
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Posted: May 24 2006 at 16:56 |
Ode to the Spell Checker!
Eye halve a spelling chequer
It came with my pea sea
It plainly marques four my revue
Miss steaks eye kin knot sea.
Eye strike a key and type a word
And weight four it two say
Weather eye am wrong oar write
It shows me strait a weigh.
As soon as a mist ache is maid
It nose bee fore two long
And eye can put the error rite
Its rare lea ever wrong.
Eye have run this poem threw it
I am shore your pleased two no
Its letter perfect awl the weigh
My chequer tolled me sew.
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Posted: May 24 2006 at 16:59 |
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Yeah, it bothers me too. As the son of an English Professor, I am acutely aware of abuses. I can understand mistakes within a large amount of text, but on a cover? The packaging makes the first impression, and should be correct. In my mind, this also applies to speech. I'm not refering to people who aren't as familiar with the language, but to those speaking their native tongue. If you speak like an imbecile, you will be taken as one.
Jon Anderson doesn't bother me. To me, that's just him. His hippy, trippy lyrics just always seemed to be a given.
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Posted: May 24 2006 at 18:53 |
Ghandi 2 wrote:
Do simple, lazy errors bother anyone else? Does Anderson's writing bother anyone esle? Or am I just crazy? |
As I'm a major pedant  it does bother me. Just like the low quality, cheapo CD covers for some LPs re-released on CD, where the record label has just photographed at low resolution the original LP cover. For example, you can see on the EDGAR FROESE re-release of "Aqua" by Virgin where they have 'cut and pasted' (literally) part of the picture over some text that was on the back cover of the LP and re-photographed the result. It ruins a beautiful cover in my opinion. They could at least have scanned the LP cover at very high resolution and removed the text on a computer, or got an artist to touch it up or something. But no, they used the cheapest way possible.
As for Anderson's writing, it only started to bother me a little on TFTO. In fact, his nonsense lyrics for Roundabout are brilliant in my opinion; "mountains come out of the sky and stand there" gives me such a vivid image - quite poetic, really.
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Posted: May 24 2006 at 19:02 |
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Not the only typo in that series. Even more obvious is the error on the back of Seconds Out, where "The Musical Box" is listed as "The Musical Bow".
Seriously, the proofreading on many cds is egregious!
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Posted: May 24 2006 at 20:52 |
Re Anderson's lyrics, I always figure they're intentional nonsense added to the composition because most rock music seems to require the use of "pitched mouth noises" (thank you Frank Zappa). And, as is the case with metal bands like Slayer, "how words sound is more important than what they mean" (thank you Chuck Eddy).
Oh, and as far as misspellings on album packaging, sometimes I think that's an indicator of how much the issuing record label cares about the artist in question. Echo & the Bunnymen put out a CD not long ago, and on the spine their name was misspelled Echo & the BUNYMEN. I imagine their label was not especially keen on promoting the album and signed the band as a loss-leader.
Edited by zappaholic - May 24 2006 at 20:55
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Posted: May 24 2006 at 20:58 |
Ghandi 2 wrote:
Don't people proofread their album art? For example, on [booming voice] THE DEFINITIVE EDITION REMASTER [/booming voice] of Foxtrot, Horizons is spelled "Horizon's" on the BACK COVER! |
Well, I got curious as I couldn't remember detecting this on my copy of the definitive edition remaster of Foxtrot so I picked it up from my shelf: nope, no typos to be seen! Somebody must have corrected it at some point...
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Posted: May 24 2006 at 21:00 |
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Have you ever heard the expression........"Don't sweat the small stuff?"
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Posted: May 24 2006 at 21:14 |
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Ghandi, I spotted two typographical errors in your post.
"Manufatured" should be "Manufactured" (simple typo this one!)
"I haven't heard I single second of it, so I am not commenting on its musical quality." should be "I haven't heard a single second of it, so I am not commenting on its musical quality."
Sorry to be annoying.
I agree though, I've spotted many errors within album booklets. I have found some in the remastered VdGG albums.
Another gripe, is when a track is incorrectly named on the CD itself. What I mean by this, is when I load a CD onto my computer using WinAMP, it does a search for the album and finds a match. I then find an error with one of the track names.
The most annoying problem I've come across is the various versions of "The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy" I've seen. I've seen it as "Hitch Hiker's" and "Hitch Hikers".
Feel free to find grammatical and spelling errors within this post. It's 2:14 and my eyes are barely open.
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Posted: May 24 2006 at 22:00 |
I don't care much. 
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Ghandi 2
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Posted: May 24 2006 at 22:08 |
Fritha wrote:
Ghandi 2 wrote:
Don't people proofread their album art? For example, on [booming voice] THE DEFINITIVE EDITION REMASTER [/booming voice] of Foxtrot, Horizons is spelled "Horizon's" on the BACK COVER! |
Well, I got curious as I couldn't remember detecting this on my copy of the definitive edition remaster of Foxtrot so I picked it up from my shelf: nope, no typos to be seen! Somebody must have corrected it at some point... |
Well that's weird, as I bought my version of Foxtrot off of Amazon a couple weeks ago. Hm.
Geck0 wrote:
Ghandi, I spotted two typographical errors in your post.
"Manufatured" should be "Manufactured" (simple typo this one!)
"I haven't heard I single second of it, so I am not commenting on its musical quality." should be "I haven't heard a single second of it, so I am not commenting on its musical quality." |
Ah, but that is a typo in a post on a forum; it's not important. When the person proofing it wrote it, it is very easy for the eyes to play tricks on you. Simple typos like mine on a forum don't bother me, but this is an album! And not even a first pressing LP, but the version that will remain in print for a long time. Also, they have the benefit of Spellcheck :) I know I could download IeSpell, but I'm too lazy :)
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Posted: May 25 2006 at 08:33 |
Ghandi 2 wrote:
Fritha wrote:
Ghandi 2 wrote:
Don't people proofread their album art? For example, on [booming voice] THE DEFINITIVE EDITION REMASTER [/booming voice] of Foxtrot, Horizons is spelled "Horizon's" on the BACK COVER! |
Well, I got curious as I couldn't remember detecting this on my copy of the definitive edition remaster of Foxtrot so I picked it up from my shelf: nope, no typos to be seen! Somebody must have corrected it at some point... |
Well that's weird, as I bought my version of Foxtrot off of Amazon a couple weeks ago. Hm. |
Are you sure your copy is not a pirate!?  Seriously, though, if you have a brand new copy then... I don't know, maybe it's a different manufacture number/serial number or something? I could give your mine but honestly, there are sooo many different numerical symbols on a record that I could not possibly tell which is the essential one to focus on, heh! For what it's worth, my copy was printed in Holland and has this: LC 3098 in the back cover and on the CD itself.
Hey, you should keep your copy -afterall, don't errors sometimes make records more collectable?
How about a poll to find out how many have the typo in their copy of Foxtrot?
EDITED once again because of the small size of the text in my reply...what's wrong with the forum atm??? 
Edited by Fritha - May 25 2006 at 08:34
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