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goose
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Topic: Original or copied? Posted: June 10 2006 at 15:10 |
I don't copy any CDs or get them copied. I do download rather a lot, mostly stuff that isn't available to buy (I don't mean out of print, I mean unreleased), but some illegally. The illegal stuff I'm slowly buying despite eating myself into student debt, and once I have money I'll spend as much as I don't spend on living and musical equipment on CDs, so I don't feel too bad about it
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Syzygy
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Posted: June 10 2006 at 07:57 |
Rosescar wrote:
It's hard for me to get good songs with file sharing anyway.
I have max. 10 fileshared songs in my iTunes list. And another 10 from this site when you could still download songs.
I try to get the albums of those downloaded songs. I never burn CD's and I always use self-bought CD's.kthxbai
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20 years ago the music industry was issuing dire predictions that 'home taping is killing music' - which of course it did, and we can see the smouldering remains of companies like Geffen and Sony around us today .
I often exchange copied CDs with fellow fans of obscure music and if I like what I hear I'll buy the original (if it's available). With lesser known bands, particularly those not signed to major labels, there may be no other way of checking their music out. I am also quite scrupulous about buying from the source where possible, preferably at a gig, because that way the artist will definitely get some money.
Buying CDs in regular outlets doesn't guarantee any income for the artist, btw - if you buy a Gong release on the Charly label the musicians receiver nothing unless you buy direct from the Gong Appreciation Society, and that's by no means a unique example.
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Rosescar
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Posted: June 10 2006 at 06:23 |
It's hard for me to get good songs with file sharing anyway.
I have max. 10 fileshared songs in my iTunes list. And another 10 from this site when you could still download songs.
I try to get the albums of those downloaded songs. I never burn CD's and I always use self-bought CD's.kthxbai
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Phil
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Posted: June 09 2006 at 17:52 |
Bern wrote:
I feel exactly the same way.
1- I feel bad when I illegally copy a disc so I just don't do it.
2- I just don't feel the same when I listen to a CD that I don't really have. The whole experience is gone...The booklet is also really important.
3- You just don't feel the same way when you show your album collection to a friend if it's all composed of burned CDs. With a lot of albums comes the pride of collecting them.
That's IMO of course
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I absolutely agree, and I'm glad to see most people here are of the same opinion.
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 21:52 |
I will admit that I have gotten a lot of music through file sharing, but I realized that it wasn't sound on a Karmic level. I have since been replacing it by legal means. I don't think it is so bad to burn things for preview purposes. I have a friend that is into prog, but he is a lot younger than I. He burns newer music for me, and I have introduced him to the classics. We go out and buy the ones we like. I also still use file sharing for things I have no clue about. It helps with things that are hard to find. If I like it, and I can't find it in a store, it will be on the web somewhere. I am expecting my copy of "Storia di un Minuto" any day now.
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Sacred 22
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 21:07 |
Asyte2c00 wrote:
Sacred 22 wrote:
The originals of course. The music business is one tough road to travel. The artists source of income comes from album sales. Remember that. No money, no prog.
I do love the ability to put mixed prog discs together and that to me is the real bonus of burning discs. |
I believe that is incorrect
My friend works for a record company The artists makes money by doing tours and shows, and as for record sales, the bands makes a small fraction, of that profit. |
Artists get royalties from album sales and a portion of the profits if any from touring. It all depends on the contract that was negociated etc etc. It varies from band to band and record companies.
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Asyte2c00
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 15:34 |
Sacred 22 wrote:
The originals of course. The music business is one tough road to travel. The artists source of income comes from album sales. Remember that. No money, no prog.
I do love the ability to put mixed prog discs together and that to me is the real bonus of burning discs. |
I believe that is incorrect
My friend works for a record company The artists makes money by doing tours and shows, and as for record sales, the bands makes a small fraction, of that profit.
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Asyte2c00
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 15:32 |
Copied.
A CD, whether it is bought or burned, runs at 1441kbps, and sounds fantastic. I know people say that songs "lose" quality when they are copied, but its is said that copying does not affect the sound of an album. Plus, its better sound quality than the origibal albums that were on vinyl (Moody Blues, Genesis, ect...)
I thought it goes without saying that people who burn albums buy blank jewel cases and print out the cover art themselves, apparently not.
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 03:15 |
I paid my dues to the music industry (bought around 7000 records , roughly half new, the other half used) and got rid of many records I did not like in order to finance new acquisitions (and save shelf space ) .
With such a consistant buying effort, I think I am entitled to a burned Cd once in a while (legal in Belgium as long as private use and you owned the original record), and those I do burn are compilation of a few album's selected tracks >> I would not be buying those albums , anyway >> so I do not feel I rip-off the artistes. anyway I treat my burned Cd-r as I did with my cassettes back in the 80's.
and if I had to be making a full album copy/burn , than I'd rather be buying the original album, anyway
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Sacred 22
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 00:40 |
The originals of course. The music business is one tough road to travel. The artists source of income comes from album sales. Remember that. No money, no prog.
I do love the ability to put mixed prog discs together and that to me is the real bonus of burning discs.
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Posted: June 02 2006 at 02:35 |
For most music, just to download one track, you have to search and download, remember some of us don't have highspeed and a single song can take a few minutes. Then you have to listen to make sure it's decent quality and there are no flaws, as well you have to make sure it doesn't cut off the opening note or the ending. That's a lot of time for one song when you consider that with a bit of searching, I can usually find the album in a sales bin at pretty much any music store or online for a fairly good price.
For prog, downloading different songs from the same album there is usually a volume difference and sometimes a quality difference. Again, just going to the store or ordering online saves valuable time.
For the most part, I like to think I have better things to do than sit at the computer for this long when I can easily just buy a cd and be done with it.
I do download a few songs that are long out of print and very hard to find and I feel no guilt.
I also don't feel guilty of downloading a song from an album that I have purchased several times. Some albums I have purchased on vinyl more than once, then on cassette. I know the law doesn't see it this way but I feel I've paid my royalties more than once for the same album. However, this rarely happens. I usually break down and purchase another copy. I'm such a sheep at times.
I will download some songs to hear them. I know there are other ways to preview but they don't usually allow to preview the entire song. I do purchase the ones I like and delete the downloaded file. You'll have to take my word.
I have mixed feelings about albums that only have one song I like or from bands who I don't respect but still like a song or two.
I don't feel I'm ripping off the artist as much as I am the record company but that's another rant.
Edited by darren - June 02 2006 at 02:36
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Barla
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Posted: June 01 2006 at 23:38 |
Original. When I can I buy my CDs. But, the problem here is that here in Argentina (and in some countries too) are a lot of imported records (Prog), that are a lot expensive !! Imagine, it's like you buy a CD and you pay 60 dollars for it .
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Mongo
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Posted: June 01 2006 at 23:04 |
The only stuff I download is stuff that is not comercially available. Even so, I rarely download. I do have a few copies that friends have made for me from their albums and I will be replacing several of them when I find the real discs. But like most everyone on this thread I just prefer to have the real thing.
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Posted: June 01 2006 at 22:29 |
I agree completely with the founder of the thread. There's something
special about having the physical music object. Plus the fact that the
artists actually recieve some money for their efforts, which is nice I
think.
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ClemofNazareth
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Posted: June 01 2006 at 22:20 |
Tony Fisher wrote:
My attitude is simple. You can't burn vinyl (well, not in the copying sense).
| Well, you can. I have hundreds of albums that are all in plastic sleeves and well-cared for, but I have ripped most of them to mp3 just so I can listen to some of them at work, in the car,, etc. In some ways that's how I kind of rediscovered a lot of those old 70s albums that I hardly ever played any more since I'm so rarely at home. I have hundreds of cassettes from the 80s and I've ripped some of those too, but they don't sound nearly as good. For the past ten years or so I've bought CDs. My biggest problem isn't having to pay for them, it's finding the ones I want. Usually end up having to order off the web since there aren't any good record stores anywhere anymore. BTW - Wiz, that Grace Slick pic is too hot!
Edited by ClemofNazareth - June 01 2006 at 22:23
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The Wizard
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Posted: June 01 2006 at 21:53 |
I'm not gonna spend $15 on an album I haven't heard when I can download it. If I like it then I'll buy it when I get the money. Simple as that.
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Posted: June 01 2006 at 21:53 |
BTW, I used to buy everything from Amazon, but I am now officially going to eBay, at least for the rarer stuff (such as, Italian Prog, Krautrock, and even VdGG). Paying $17-22 for a CD is insanity!
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The Miracle
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Posted: June 01 2006 at 21:28 |
I agree with the original poster... I hate downloading(though I do it sometimes to try an album first)... I hate iposd, mp3 players, and such crap, IMO it doesn't have the soul of a CD, or better yet, a vinyl. As for buying used albums... the seller doesn't want them anyway, so what the hell
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Posted: June 01 2006 at 21:03 |
Am I hurting the artists if I buy used vinyl LPs instead of buying the CD from amazon?
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Posted: June 01 2006 at 19:29 |
I tend to buy most CD's (if I can find them at a good price obviously) because illegal downloading does hurt the artist. However I do have a number of albums downloaded but those that I like I will replace with the CD, its nice to have the artwork and Aliner notes etc.
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