No Wave, Noise Rock and Math Rock

Does anyone consider Noise rock, Math rock and No Wave to be prog? They are usually classed as in the punk "family tree" but all of them are experimental,progressive and have some of the elements of prog that are listed on this site.

No Wave was a short-lived but influential offshoot of punk rock centered in New York City during the late 1970s and early 1980s. The term No Wave was partly a satiric wordplay rejecting the commercial elements of the then-popular New Wave genre, and also a declaration of the music's experimental nature: No Wave music belonged to no fixed style or genre.

In many ways, No Wave is not a clearly definable genre. There is, for example, no fixed harmony as in most rock music and blues music. There are some elements common to many No Wave performers, including abrasive atonal sounds, strong emphasis on repetitive rhythm, and more emphasis on mood and texture than on conventional melody. Lyrics often focused on nihilism and confrontation ("Little orphans running through the bloody snow/No more ankles and no more clothes"-Teenage Jesus and the Jerks).  No Wave also drew on performance art.

kingofbizzare wrote: I think noise rock and no wave could fit in under avant-prog, and I've always heard of math rock as being associated with prog metal bands like Dillinger Escape Plan and Meshuggah.

Yes, those bands took elements of math rock and applied it to metal (mainly ridiculous time signatures and unpredictable changes).  Real 'math rock' is sort of elusive as a genre, but the best examples I can think of are Don Caballero and Chevreuil.

No wave, noise rock et all is great, not entirely sure its for the site though