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    Posted: January 03 2005 at 13:27
Has Steve Howe been Ripped Off?  It seems that the guitar section in Echolyn's "Memoirs From Between" is a little too similiar to Steve Howe's "worm" section" in "Starship Trooper".  Just listen to them both, they are amazingly similiar--even the build up with the drumming.  Has anyone noticed this.  "Suffucating the Bloom" is still a great album despite this fact.     

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 03 2005 at 13:46
I don't know about that, but allegedly Mariah Carey once borrowed twenty quid off him and never paid him back.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 03 2005 at 17:02
i've always thought that heart of the sunrise was similar to 21st century schizoid man. well some of the riffs.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 03 2005 at 17:19

Okay, I just checked out Memoirs and I can see the Wurm influence there, but it's a far cry from a rip off. The slow ascending, swell effect is pretty common in prog and classical. I'd think it's just a part of composition, not plagiarism. I believe Howe, among others, is an influence on Brett Kull. Check out Cactapus on STB and then listen to Allan Holdsworth's Home from Metal Fatigue. The chording style is very similar, however, I think Mr. Kull throws these bits in to celebrate the influences, bot steal from them. Echolyn also has a large amount of Gentle Giant's signatures throughout their music.

And yes, Suffocating the Bloom is an outstanding record.     

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 03 2005 at 20:22
danbo, when I realized this similarity I was watching Yes' dvd "Yes Symphonic".  At the end of the Dvd when the credits are rolling the piano playing and drumming build into "Worm" (a slightly different version from the album).  Watch the DVD, the similarity is much more close than it is on the album.    
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2005 at 05:55

Steal one idea and it's a rip-off.

Steal two or more and it's a tribute...

I must remind the right honourable gentleman that a monologue is not a decision.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2005 at 07:32
Originally posted by sigod sigod wrote:

Steal one idea and it's a rip-off.


Steal two or more and it's a tribute...



Steal more than three, then call your band 'Pallas'

Memo to self - must stop hating Pallas!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2005 at 07:37
Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:




Memo to self - must stop hating Pallas!

great result against The Villa yesterday, though.LOL




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2005 at 07:38
Originally posted by Reed Lover Reed Lover wrote:

Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:




Memo to self - must stop hating Pallas!

great result against The Villa yesterday, though.LOL

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2005 at 11:09

I'll have to get that DVD.

Maybe we could get maani to interview Brett Kull and ask about the similarity.  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2005 at 15:38

dont get me started on the biggest ripper offer blaggers off all... led zeppelin openly admit to lots of uncredited borowing.

whole lotta love... all the lyrics and song similarities blagged from the small faces - "you need loving" circa 1966. and do the small faces get any recognition? NO... but led zeppelin become the biggest rock band ever lol

LZ version is better but the small faces one is damn good and they are an incredible band. and were original and no1 hardly knows them. Their spotlight was the classic cockney masterpiece concept album "odgens nut gone flake". they then went on to form the faces with rod stewart. and humble pie.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2005 at 17:55

 

 

All right who would steal Steve Howe and why would they want him (have you seen what he looks like lately)?  Did anyone notify the rest of the band? 



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