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Poll Question: Is Led Zep a prog folk band (take on account all albums) or what?
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In my mind they pretty much defy classification. They were certainly progressive in some ways, and some of their tunes are excellent Art Rock, though over-all they're not Prog enough for this site.

However, if Cream gets in as Proto-Prog or Prog Related I want Led Zeppelin in as Prog Related.
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Proto Prog, I would call them.
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Originally posted by Philéas Philéas wrote:

In my mind they pretty much defy classification. They were certainly progressive in some ways, and some of their tunes are excellent Art Rock, though over-all they're not Prog enough for this site.

However, if Cream gets in as Proto-Prog or Prog Related I want Led Zeppelin in as Prog Related.


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I think the best idea I've heard so far was that of having a separate section for bands and artists like Cream, Led Zep or Hendrix, who, while not being really prog, have had a significant influence on the genre. In my opinion, that would be a better classification than the controversial Proto-Prog, or the far too vague Prog-Related.
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Wise reply Ghost man...the aim of this poll is to get some ideas about it and maybe get some consensus...prog related is obvious and maybe some people could want to lean toward some categories Approve
 
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Originally posted by Uther Uther wrote:

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I think we have to come up with some simple generic term that says-
 
Proto Prog (Classic hard rock pioneers who influenced Progressive music in some or other way)
 
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Originally posted by Ghost Rider Ghost Rider wrote:

Originally posted by Philéas Philéas wrote:

In my mind they pretty much defy classification. They were certainly progressive in some ways, and some of their tunes are excellent Art Rock, though over-all they're not Prog enough for this site.

However, if Cream gets in as Proto-Prog or Prog Related I want Led Zeppelin in as Prog Related.


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I think the best idea I've heard so far was that of having a separate section for bands and artists like Cream, Led Zep or Hendrix, who, while not being really prog, have had a significant influence on the genre. In my opinion, that would be a better classification than the controversial Proto-Prog, or the far too vague Prog-Related.
 
 
 
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Well, I love Led Zep but they only have a few prog-related tracks, not enough for them to be prog-anything in my book. I'm not even sure they even influenced any prog bands.
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Points: 31165 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 28 2006 at 15:43
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Agreed, I just can't see fit attaching the label "prog" to LZ.  I think they did just fine without it, too.
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Aren't there any "not prog" voting options?
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Led Zep aren't progressive, that's a certainty. (don't bother bringing up individual songs, for that shouldn't cut the cake)

 

I am in favour of adding them under Prog-related, but solely because of their influence on other bands, so likelyness to Led Zepp is no reason to get in, since being influenced by Led doesn't make a band progressive, it's the influence of Led Zep to already progressive bands that counts.

 

so an earlier comment about if Cream get's in, so should Led Zeppelin should be discarded as an invalid argument.

 
and indeed as the post above me says, a vote for non-progressive should be possible also.


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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Well, I love Led Zep but they only have a few prog-related tracks, not enough for them to be prog-anything in my book. I'm not even sure they even influenced any prog bands.
 
ever heard Amon Düül II, if there aren't resemblences between the two bands I'll eat my hat, Rush uses many influences, and not just on their first four albums, influence continuoes in the 80's and reemerges without being away really in the nineties and still is a part of Rush currently.
Deep purple owes Led Zep a great deal of gratitude for opening their niche, so does uriah heep.
Yes would never have sounded like they did without bands like Led Zep showing the strength of combining electric and accoustic guitars, Jethro Tull would never have created Aqualung or Thick as a brick if it wasn't for their relation with Led Zep.
 
Of course some of those bands (especially tull) influenced Led Zep also.
 
but The led zep influence is heard in practically all bands that rose to fame in the early seventies, and it continous to this day.
 
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none of the above: not even remotely prog is the answer
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Originally posted by Ghost Rider Ghost Rider wrote:

Originally posted by Philéas Philéas wrote:

In my mind they pretty much defy classification. They were certainly progressive in some ways, and some of their tunes are excellent Art Rock, though over-all they're not Prog enough for this site.

However, if Cream gets in as Proto-Prog or Prog Related I want Led Zeppelin in as Prog Related.


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I think the best idea I've heard so far was that of having a separate section for bands and artists like Cream, Led Zep or Hendrix, who, while not being really prog, have had a significant influence on the genre. In my opinion, that would be a better classification than the controversial Proto-Prog, or the far too vague Prog-Related.
 
Cheers to you Ghost Rider!
 
There is an ongoing discussion about establishing a genre that would fit the artists you mentioned and I would totally support for inclusion. Heavy-Prog. I'd chance to say that the only objections are because of the extra work involved, having to extricate other performers from other genres...?
 
I thorougly dislike the term Proto as it's been applied to many genuinely progressive artists. Prog-Related is somewhat less offensive, but still not to the point.
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any tagging else than prog-related (or art-rock, maybe) is both deceiving the PA and diminishing Zepp's stature in rock (and quite insulting to the fans).

[Is Stairway to Heaven prog-hard-rock? Is Carouselambra Prog-Blues? Or, is The Song Remains the Same prog-rock-folk? Or how about No Quarter as prog-ethnic folk? Maybe Achilles Last Stand qualifies as straight prog-folk! and mind you, these are all progressive masterpices.]
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Prog... Prog... Hard (Heavy) Prog or Prog Blues... But Prog!!!
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