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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 22 2006 at 15:38
Yes, 'Moby Dick' is a little over-hyped and not my favorite. As you point out, it was his contribution to Zep's music that was so marvelous. Bonham's brilliance was that he made the drums a true equal to the guitar and voice which, at that time, were what people tended to focus on.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 22 2006 at 14:56
Moby Dick is overrated.  Bonzo's playing isnt.   Moby Dick is generally the same thing over and over and is relatively bland.  However Bonham himself was a great drummer and his abilities are not overrated.  He has mad innovative grooves, and contributed the entire foundation and soul to one of the most popular rock bands ever.  He contimues to be an influence to drummers everywhere.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 22 2006 at 14:45
Well R o V e R, for what ever reason they have not done so, and I will (as you have) continue to defend the man and his absolutely deserved legend. There was nothing sloppy or sleepy about him. Better *rock* drummers? Is the author deaf or just inexperienced?" Which drummers in straight *rock* (not Bruford, Bozzio, Peart, Portnoy, etc. etc.), other than maybe Moon, were better?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 21 2006 at 04:58
this thread is not going anywhere


     

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2006 at 23:37
I think its interesting just as a side note:

I'm not particularly a fan of either band, but it seems when a band like Led Zep is criticized, people almost feel personally insulted.

However when JLB's singing is criticized, the DT fans are supposed to just take it as a joke and move on.


Just interesting to see how the perceptions of the band really impact how the criticism is viewed.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2006 at 23:25

Bonham was good, but for whatever reason, he often sounded a bit sleepy. For a true test of his talents, I like D'yre M'aker (or wherever the 's go).

BUT...Keith Moon's better.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2006 at 23:19
Actually, I've been watching some Moby Dick videos, and I'm actually kind of impressed.  The solo was a bit sloppy, and his speed is impressive (although he was flailing around hitting random drums to some extent, not very musical).  However, I'm actually impressed with his skill.  I would never know it though if all I did was listen to Led Zeppelin records, though.  I wish he could have used the skill he obviously had.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2006 at 21:21
Bonham was certainly not the most imaginative drummer in the world, but he was a rock-steady timekeeper.  He kept Zeppelin's sound anchored.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2006 at 16:29
Rush is still my favorite band and Neil Peart my favorite drummer though, the only reason I think he's a little overrated is that some people say he's the greatest drummer of all time, which just isn't true, as there are more skilled drummers in rock even (just a tiny bit better though). 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2006 at 16:16
Originally posted by Sasquamo Sasquamo wrote:

 
I think Peart is overrated a bit as well, but I also think he actually deserves it.


It's good to see someone on this site who agrees with me on this matter.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2006 at 16:13
Originally posted by Philéas Philéas wrote:

Let me just point out that Peart is somewhat overrated aswell. There are better drummers.
 
I think Peart is overrated a bit as well, but I also think he actually deserves it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2006 at 16:07
Let me just point out that Peart is somewhat overrated aswell. There are better drummers.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2006 at 08:10
you didn't say you don't like him, you said he's overrated. that's different.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2006 at 07:58
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

It is sad that JB must be defended, though nice to see that he is being stuck up for. The assumption seems to be that he would not have been able to 'keep up' with drummers who were doing more complex things, but this is quite false. In fact, if you were to ask Bruford, Bozzio, Peart or Portnoy what they think of him, I suspect it would be kudos all around,
 
It's almost an unwritten law that you have to like John Bonham.  Look what happened here when I said I didn't!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2006 at 05:32
We have to watch out that we don't end this topic as John Bonham: only busy with alcohol Wink

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2006 at 05:13
Originally posted by Sasquamo Sasquamo wrote:

I can hit drums hard as well



     

so stupid to say that
    









    

Edited by R o V e R - October 20 2006 at 05:24
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2006 at 04:57
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Is that suppose to be a little joke?
 
You mean my attitude towards drunkards? Definetelly not.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2006 at 04:00
Is that suppose to be a little joke?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2006 at 03:53
Originally posted by mystic fred mystic fred wrote:

Originally posted by Eetu Pellonpää Eetu Pellonpää wrote:

Yes. (+ he was too keen of drinking, killed himself! with it)
 
of course many rock musicians  have drink like the rest of us, John suffered terribly from nerves before a big tour, and tried to relieve this with drink, unfortunately the dangers of falling asleep drunk were well documented after the death of Jimi Hendrix, who suffered the same fate.
 
A really idiot habit. Besides nothing irritates me more than literally stinking drunkards being not able to keep their mouth shut.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2006 at 03:48
Originally posted by mystic fred mystic fred wrote:

definitely NOT "overrated"......John Bonham's influence on all rock music is incalculable - technically, artistically and personally, he inspired many drummers, had his own distinctive style. i've seen him play live and  he was amazing - after he tragically died his involvement in Zeppelin was so huge the group couldn't continue in the same way without him - how many other bands could this apply to? John was absolutely essential to the group, like Keith Moon was to The Who.
 

 


He *was* amazing live. In fact he was the best and tightest member of that band and though by 1978 JPJ became the on stage coordinator, Bonzo was the rock, live or otherwise.
    
    
    

Edited by Atavachron - October 20 2006 at 03:50
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