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    Posted: January 14 2005 at 00:37
Why are so many of you guys obsessed with which bands are and aren't on this site?
Progarchives is a wonderful resource for discovering new bands, but why get so up in arms when one you already know is or isn't included? Does it really matter?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2005 at 00:46
Get rid of the borderline crap, and get some focus
back. This site in my mind should be as
open-minded as New Gibralter Encyclopedia, but
separate the best progressive rock from the
junk(pooh!). And give the youngsters a chance to
have a global view of only the best from the past and
whats good in the new scene.

There are those who feel Americas best output is to
AOR and Germany was but a fringe element outside
of when fair german bands tried to copy the style
coming from england.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2005 at 00:55

Did that have anything to do with my question?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2005 at 02:51

Chorus..

I agree. To be frank its hard enough to keep coming up with worthwhile and interesting threads anyway. There is only so many times you can ask who is the best bass player/drummer/guitarist etc, or whether or not Radiohead is prog !!! Or indeed whether ELO should be in the archives..

Progarchives is a brilliant resource. I think its pretty comprehensive, and sometimes a few bands may get overlooked. If anyone feels they are being dealt a terrible injustice by a band they like being left out, send a PM to the admin group and calmly argue your case for their inclusion. Thats my suggestion.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2005 at 03:27
Originally posted by chorus of one chorus of one wrote:

Did that have anything to do with my question?



Of course not - it was from the master of whizzing off at a tangent

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2005 at 03:47

I'm in Cof1's corner...Who really thinks inclusion on Progarchives makes a band any better or worse...or really, any more or less 'prog'?

Essentially the site is a resource for either people who already know what they mean by 'prog', or for complete newcomers...either way, a dozen or so bands on the 'borderline' isn't going to hurt anyone. Everyone responsible for the site has done an exceptional job covering the genre, IMAO.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2005 at 07:30

Originally posted by DallasBryan DallasBryan wrote:

Get rid of the borderline crap, and get some focus
back. This site in my mind should be as
open-minded as New Gibralter Encyclopedia, but
separate the best progressive rock from the
junk(pooh!). And give the youngsters a chance to
have a global view of only the best from the past and
whats good in the new scene.

There are those who feel Americas best output is to
AOR and Germany was but a fringe element outside
of when fair german bands tried to copy the style
coming from england.

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I am the intruder

 

I'm about 3/4 the way with you DB, but there is point some boundaries have to be set - otherwise all music would most misleadingly be called progressive rock. So when I protest about inclusion of XY or Z (have you caught this band: Cajun Punk Jazz String Quartet all aged 80 or more), means that either they have done something musically that does noteet my somewhat (IMHO) liberal definitions - and/or were not categorised as prog when they first appeared on the scene - hence me want some selectively when it comes to Pink Floyd or Rush. However, I'm less likely to go do-alley than once I might had - if somebody thinks their electronica band is prog let them, but don't count me in on that opinion and expect a word or two, to warn the unsuspecting that such views are not the whole of the Progarchive's concensus on the matter.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2005 at 11:11
I guess I just dont get it! I dont see how you can take
a base of say Pink Floyd, Yes, Genesis, ELP and
Jethro Tull and say oh' Magma, Soft Machine, etc.
that progressive rock, this is more progressive
psychedelic jazz.

Youre argument seems to stem from the so called
fact that english progressive rock is the measuring
tool and all must be measured from there. Its OK to
go forward down a jazz fusion or symphonic path but
if you lose the vocals and introduce electronics as
the focal point it becomes electronica. I beg to differ!

Though you accept Italian 70s progressive
rock(because it caters to your idea) you omit the
works of other progressive electronic rockers work
that was going on in continental europe. This
affectively gives england the title of progressive rock
know it alls.

I on the other hand see progressive rock after the
experimental psychedelic stage being almost solely
an english entity from birth 1967ish to 1975, then the
shop basically got shut down, although Peter Gabriel
-3, Art of Noise - whose afraid of..., and Yes 90125
slipped through the cracks in the early 80s.

During the mid 70s bands from the US, Greece,
Sweden, Holland, France, Spain, Ireland and even
Japan affected their youth cultures with progressive
rock whatever the instrumentation.

Germany on the other hand after their experimental
stage(1969 -1974) was taking the atmospheres, and
soundscapes from bands like Pink Floyd and
Genesis and evolving these ideas to a new level.
Progressive rock from 1976 to the mid 80s was in
the hands of the Germans and it evolved from its
previous state!!! By denying this and calling it
electronica you affectively capture english
progressive rock as the cornerstone to all new
progressive rock and limit its advancing. Canterbury
style offshoots are OK and any one wishing to
prevert the original style to progressive metal or
avant jazz rock fusion is acceptable. England does
not own the term "progressive rock".

You accept Tangerine Dream as progressive rock
but the great progressive electronic music that
sprouted up around it becomes fringe instead of a
focal point. I find this as a narrow minded imperialist
viewpoint! No you dont have to stretch the
boundaries to include Robert Rich - Gaudi, or Steve
Roach stuff, that is electronica and new age. But as
long as the spirit was alive and discernable it should
be recognized.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2005 at 11:28

Why do I get the feeling that the English (or UK) is more your problem than Progressive Rock Dallas?

In my time here, I've seen a lot of English/America bashing but none of it has centred on any perceived ownership of the genre. I've said it before and it looks as though I'll have to say it again, there is only good music or bad music and everything else is just semantics.

That said, I tend to agree with you in that the UK is more or less a spent force when it comes to innovative prog but then again, it was there first and I guess that the well just ran dry. The younger generations were lured away with the promise of better rewards (and more poon tang I suppose ) elsewhere i.e. punk, new wave, etc.

There is a lot of 'You' and 'I' mentioned in your post and I can almost see the fingers being pointed. Please, please don't do this Dallas as the thread could be descending into an unsavoury, last word slanging match.

Please don't.

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2005 at 11:44
point taken sigod and I am dropping it!!!
I just felt that there is a ownership issue and it
leaves us going over the same old period and new
bands trying to duplicate the same old period and
not taking in the growth after the first 8 years.

I consider progressive rock as mostly a dead entity
and its elements showing up on occasions in many
styles of music. I think the crown should be passed
to the germans and then maybe we could revive
progressive music with a blend of new age,
progressive metal and AOR.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2005 at 11:47
There should be randomcoolbandsthatprogfansthinkarecool.com
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2005 at 11:51

Originally posted by DallasBryan DallasBryan wrote:

point taken sigod and I am dropping it!!!
I just felt that there is a ownership issue and it
leaves us going over the same old period and new
bands trying to duplicate the same old period and
not taking in the growth after the first 8 years.

I consider progressive rock as mostly a dead entity
and its elements showing up on occasions in many
styles of music. I think the crown should be passed
to the germans and then maybe we could revive
progressive music with a blend of new age,
progressive metal and AOR.

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You are a good man Dallas  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2005 at 11:52

Originally posted by joniox joniox wrote:

There should be randomcoolbandsthatprogfansthinkarecool.com

You mean there isn't????  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2005 at 12:30

There is a thread in http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=754&am p;am p;am p;am p;am p;PN=1 about which bands could be added. It was started by MAX. There is also in Progarchives a form http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_PRO GARCHIVES.asp to be filled by the readers about suggestions for bands/artists to be included in this website. I think that the Administrators Group have open minds to opinions. If not, they simply didn`t start this thread in the Forums and they could simply delete that form in Progarchives. They also could not put attention in the Polls done by Forum Readers about which bands could be included. The Poll about Traffic, for example, worked very well, because Traffic was added when the majority of the people that answered to that Poll considered that Traffic should be included. It is good to make Polls, even if the opinion of the majority of the readers is against other opinions (for example, the Poll about E.L.O. started by me; I consider E.L.O. as Progressive, but  if the majority of the readers don`t think so, E.L.O. is not included in this website , and I`m not angry about it ).

I recognize the very good job done in this website by the Administrators Group.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2005 at 14:56

Wise words Guillermo!Clap

Many of us actually enjoy discussing whether or not certain bands should or should not be here. The discussions often digress and develop into interesting dialogues. The present thread on Pat Metheny for example has some good stuff between Peter and Richard.

Like prog itself, the site needs to continue to develop, and such threads are just one of the many ways it does so. 

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2005 at 15:51
Here we go again round and round the roseberry bush the old what is / isn't prog argument. I think that with over 1,400 bands represented on the site and the opportunity to bring up any topic you like via the forums whether or not it is related to prog or even music is good enough for me and my dogs, cat and the squuriels who live in my back yard.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2005 at 16:16

It's one of the most common arguments because it's a discussion people LIKE to have.

And why not?

If I think that Beyonce is prog, then I'm entitled to think that - and everyone is entitled to throw large, heavy and pointed objects in my direction for saying so.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2005 at 16:46

Beyonce has done some great prog tracks, lets get her on here!LOL What do you think Vibe?Wink

(had to edit the post, I though beyonce was a group!Embarrassed)



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2005 at 16:51

 

 

I like the two points on her chest. Those are very Prog!

 

 



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