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    Posted: January 17 2005 at 19:25
Seeing all the threads today I have to reiterate my point. If you don't like the progarchives selection, instead of making all these stupid polls and petitions, just go have a cry about it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2005 at 22:34

Hey take it easy Useful!!!!!!!

Everybody has the right to be angry once in a while.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2005 at 22:05

Sorry, I'm in a horrible mood tonight.

Although the reason why I say that I probably listen to more non-prog than a lot of you is because I'm just as interested in indie rock and metal (as well as other styles, but those two in particular) as I am in prog.  I'm not really a 100% proghead.  If you want to kick me off the site now, then by all means go ahed

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2005 at 21:59

In this case I'm just kidding Useful, but I'm member of 5 forums and I've read people saying that bands or musicians as Bjork, REM, Cobain's Nirvana, Coldplay, all Styx, Asia, GTR, Nine Inches Nail or even albums as Invisible Touch or We Can't Dance are Progressive.

At least Radiohead has a proggish sound and ELO is a good band that had acouple of progressive tracks.

And don't judge us as if all of us don't like non prog, I have at least 200 non prog CD's and believe me, that's more than most mainstream fans have.

If mytheory is flawed, why do progheads (included myself) call guilty pleasures to any album they like which is not prog?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2005 at 21:52
Originally posted by ivan_2068 ivan_2068 wrote:

Not you Peter (in those cases ) neither I in my Meat Loaf or Jackson Browne collection, but there are people that consider Radiohead and ELO Prog', so there are cases and cases.

Iván

I don't consider Radiohead prog just because I like them.  I like more non-prog than a good portion of you guys (or so I'd like to think), but I'm not vouching for Nick Drake or Wire to get listed on here.  Could it just be that maybe your theory is flawed?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2005 at 21:38

Not you Peter (in those cases ) neither I in my Meat Loaf or Jackson Browne collection, but there are people that consider Radiohead and ELO Prog', so there are cases and cases.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2005 at 19:53
Originally posted by ivan_2068 ivan_2068 wrote:

Quote Why are so many of you guys obsessed with which bands are and aren't on this site?

I think I said it before, even if we don't accept it,  Progressive Rock fans are pretentious in different levels, we use to see other genres as second class music, if somebody asks us about a band we say it's prog' or it's not prog'  before saying if it's good or bad.

So if we like the music of a band, it has to be progressive, prog' related or at least have some prog' influence; otherwise we don't have a valid reason to like it.

I believe it's a psychological problem with progheads.

Iván

Bit of a broad assumption there, Ivy.Ermm

I can't find any prog in my Lucinda Williams, Neil Young or pure Celtic albums.Stern Smile

Now don't go tellin' me that "Cortez the Killer" is prog, either! Wink



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2005 at 19:49
Although I've only been on this site for about a week, I've already spent a good number of hours browsing through the archives and downloading some of the songs and checking out new bands.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2005 at 16:53

Quote Why are so many of you guys obsessed with which bands are and aren't on this site?

I think I said it before, even if we don't accept it,  Progressive Rock fans are pretentious in different levels, we use to see other genres as second class music, if somebody asks us about a band we say it's prog' or it's not prog'  before saying if it's good or bad.

So if we like the music of a band, it has to be progressive, prog' related or at least have some prog' influence; otherwise we don't have a valid reason to like it.

I believe it's a psychological problem with progheads.

Iván



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2005 at 16:32

Originally posted by chorus of one chorus of one wrote:

Why are so many of you guys obsessed with which bands are and aren't on this site?
Progarchives is a wonderful resource for discovering new bands, but why get so up in arms when one you already know is or isn't included? Does it really matter?

Although I'm new to this site, prog is not new to me.  However, there are a lot of famous and not so famous bands that I just haven't had the time or money to check out.  When I'm considering a purchase or looking for something new (by "new" I mean something I haven't heard), I like to do a bit of research.  I don't want more bands in the archives to validate them.  I'd like to see them evaluated.  That's why I just started a thread about Roxy Music.  I'm sure they must have been mentioned before.  I've never heard them and I'd like to know if I should.  I'm just as happy to find out any certain band should be avoided. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2005 at 17:02
As I said, everyone must throw large, pointed objects in my direction...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2005 at 16:51

 

 

I like the two points on her chest. Those are very Prog!

 

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2005 at 16:46

Beyonce has done some great prog tracks, lets get her on here!LOL What do you think Vibe?Wink

(had to edit the post, I though beyonce was a group!Embarrassed)



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2005 at 16:16

It's one of the most common arguments because it's a discussion people LIKE to have.

And why not?

If I think that Beyonce is prog, then I'm entitled to think that - and everyone is entitled to throw large, heavy and pointed objects in my direction for saying so.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2005 at 15:51
Here we go again round and round the roseberry bush the old what is / isn't prog argument. I think that with over 1,400 bands represented on the site and the opportunity to bring up any topic you like via the forums whether or not it is related to prog or even music is good enough for me and my dogs, cat and the squuriels who live in my back yard.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2005 at 14:56

Wise words Guillermo!Clap

Many of us actually enjoy discussing whether or not certain bands should or should not be here. The discussions often digress and develop into interesting dialogues. The present thread on Pat Metheny for example has some good stuff between Peter and Richard.

Like prog itself, the site needs to continue to develop, and such threads are just one of the many ways it does so. 

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2005 at 12:30

There is a thread in http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=754&am p;am p;am p;am p;am p;PN=1 about which bands could be added. It was started by MAX. There is also in Progarchives a form http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_PRO GARCHIVES.asp to be filled by the readers about suggestions for bands/artists to be included in this website. I think that the Administrators Group have open minds to opinions. If not, they simply didn`t start this thread in the Forums and they could simply delete that form in Progarchives. They also could not put attention in the Polls done by Forum Readers about which bands could be included. The Poll about Traffic, for example, worked very well, because Traffic was added when the majority of the people that answered to that Poll considered that Traffic should be included. It is good to make Polls, even if the opinion of the majority of the readers is against other opinions (for example, the Poll about E.L.O. started by me; I consider E.L.O. as Progressive, but  if the majority of the readers don`t think so, E.L.O. is not included in this website , and I`m not angry about it ).

I recognize the very good job done in this website by the Administrators Group.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2005 at 11:52

Originally posted by joniox joniox wrote:

There should be randomcoolbandsthatprogfansthinkarecool.com

You mean there isn't????  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2005 at 11:51

Originally posted by DallasBryan DallasBryan wrote:

point taken sigod and I am dropping it!!!
I just felt that there is a ownership issue and it
leaves us going over the same old period and new
bands trying to duplicate the same old period and
not taking in the growth after the first 8 years.

I consider progressive rock as mostly a dead entity
and its elements showing up on occasions in many
styles of music. I think the crown should be passed
to the germans and then maybe we could revive
progressive music with a blend of new age,
progressive metal and AOR.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2005 at 11:47
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