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    Posted: January 01 2007 at 17:23
The Doors ...  Should they be here at Prog Archives or not  ? I raised this question awhile ago before they were here. I`m still not sure progs "door" should be opened so wide,  what do you think ?  Smile

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 01 2007 at 17:27
Ehh I think its fine. A bunch of people wanted them in and why not make the majority happy? Plus there are definatly bands here that are worse choices than the Doors.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 01 2007 at 17:28
The Doors! ClapApprove
 
They're in Proto-Prog category however, not here.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 01 2007 at 17:29
They're here as proto prog.... I don't like them but if we let in bands like Maiden and Zep, Doors gotta be here... and no, this isn't an 'if x is here so should be y' argument, it's a 'if x is here so should be w' case. IMO none of them belong here. Now we simply have to include Hendrix because he is both more progressive and tons more influential than Doors. Ermm
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 01 2007 at 17:39
I think we should re-define prog .... If we don't we will soon see a lot of other "simply rock" band in here...

GREAT MUSIC isn't prog... great music is great music , prog is prog, (prog can be great, and great music can be non-prog)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 01 2007 at 17:41
Proto prog..The Doors. ? Personally, I don't see how, but the decision has been made. Doesn't mean we can't debate it though. Wow, I seem to be having an argument with myself here.Wacko
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 01 2007 at 17:46
Since I joined Prog Archives in early 2004 I have said constantly that it is better to rename Prog Archives in Prog Music Archives because many bands on this site have nothing to do with rock but they make progressive music (like lots of electronic, space and avant-garde bands). I am glad that The Doors are added but of course Jimi Hendrix should also be here, if it was only because of his mindblowing 2-LP Electric Ladyland Clap And today I watched Classic Albums with The Who and their album Who's Next, way more progressive than Iron Maiden, Osibisa, Magnum, Triumph, etc....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 01 2007 at 17:46
Indeed, we would expect a full debate!Wink
 
Bear in mind that they have been added as proto prog (so the thread has been moved to that section) which means they are not classified as prog as such.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 01 2007 at 17:52
I think that moving this thread is just a diversion , a smoke screen  ... but this same thread will be posted by others  you will see Wink     I mean all over the home page people are submitting reviews of The Doors CD`s  so it is OK  for that to happen yet we wouldn`t want to confuse Th Doors with Bona fide  Prog that this topic was first posted in  ? seems to be a contradiction ... how can we use this site as a vehicle to promote itself and prog using such artists as the doors then turn around and say oh their not really prog only prog related ?     I`m not that desperate to add more quantity I`d prefer high quality   .. don`t get me wrong I enjoy the Doors they are one of the better radio friendly bands around,  but I can`t accept whats happening here calling the Doors a prog archive band is simply a cheap ploy    ... are we really that desperate for artsists  ? Smile


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 01 2007 at 17:52
I dont know. Honestly it is difficult to establish if The Doors is or no Prog or Proto Prog or only a big band of transition between the 60's and the 70's... We haven't a countercheck because Jim is dead too much soon. Certainly the same doubt I have it for the Tyrannosaurus Rex/ T. Rex, certainly Prog but that, in a mine old poll, are not considered Prog for the people of PA. Today also a Rock band that has a lot of keyboards (I think to the Italian band Epica, for example) cautious comes Prog Metal or Neo Prog. In the 70's the Led Zeppelin or David Bowie were Prog and, sincerely, was it Manfred Mann in the 60's. On The Doors I have a lot doubtful (legitimate) but their flu is, still today, present in a lot of Prog bands.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 01 2007 at 17:53
Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

Indeed, we would expect a full debate!Wink
 
Bear in mind that they have been added as proto prog (so the thread has been moved to that section) which means they are not classified as prog as such.
 
 


But is not Proto Prog a prog of sorts? A kind of Prog in embryo maybe?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 01 2007 at 17:53
The Doors?  Oh no, The End is nigh... yet another sign of the Apocalypse... Now, now,  I have no problem with The Doors at this site as long as the band is not in a "true" Prog category.  I hope Cream comes soon.

Let's face it, the Doors were opened long ago, and once opened they cannot be shut (save shutting down the site).  I'm happy to see the band here because I think the band's music is very likely to appeal to the ears of many a Proghead, or potential Proghead.

Before I recognised myself as a boner fide Proghead, I was enjoying music by bands such as The Who, Led Zeppelin, Santana, Cream, and The Doors, and I think they all have a place here as progressive non-Prog rock bands.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 01 2007 at 17:54
Originally posted by samhob samhob wrote:

I think we should re-define prog .... If we don't we will soon see a lot of other "simply rock" band in here...

GREAT MUSIC isn't prog... great music is great music , prog is prog, (prog can be great, and great music can be non-prog)



I've just had some major déja vu... have you said this before in another thread?

Ansen: I think you'll find The Doors are pretty influential, perhaps more so than Hendrix. Wink  You've also only heard on Doors album, so you cannot really say you dislike them.  By the way, Hendrix and Jim Morrison were friends of each other (not that has anything to do with it).


Mandrakeroot: have you got a new translator? Wink


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 01 2007 at 17:57
I've heard the debut and Greatest Hits too. I highly doubt that they were more influential
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 01 2007 at 17:59
Masque, see the forum guidliens on where to place threads.Wink
 
Snowy, not really. The site definition is:

Proto-Prog definition

Rock Bands in existence prior to 1969 that influenced the development of progressive rock. The late 60's was a predominately experimental period for music. These bands were moving in a stream that eventually led to prog. The influence could have come from new sophisticated forms of writing and playing music, recording techniques, new instruments and vocal harmonies to name a few. Some of these bands became progressive rock bands themselves others did not.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 01 2007 at 18:00
They are.  I know more people who prefer The Doors over Hendrix.  They're more accessible and didn't have out-of-tune guitar solos that went on for ages (I know that's not what Hendrix is about, I'm just saying that, because many people think that's what Hendrix is about).

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 01 2007 at 18:03
I heard their Strange Days album a few years back. Not prog in any shape or form to me. They might been influetial to some bands, but honestly; is that reason enough to let them be included on a prog-rock site?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 01 2007 at 18:04
Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

 
 
Snowy, not really. The site definition is:

Proto-Prog definition

Rock Bands in existence prior to 1969 that influenced the development of progressive rock. The late 60's was a predominately experimental period for music. These bands were moving in a stream that eventually led to prog. The influence could have come from new sophisticated forms of writing and playing music, recording techniques, new instruments and vocal harmonies to name a few. Some of these bands became progressive rock bands themselves others did not.
 


Ok, so The Doors were moving in a stream that eventually lead to prog. Well, I'm not sure they were.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 01 2007 at 18:04
GeckO, where did you get the information that Morrison and Hendrix were friends? I am very curious to that because Jim had no friends Wink Once he joined Jimi on stage very drunk and faked fellatio with him between his legs, before he had also been very rude towards Janis Joplin and David Crosby, only determined to get in conflict with them, he was a notorious troublemaker and I cannot imagine that the very friendly Jimi was on speaking terms with the sociopatic Jim ... Wacko
 
Snow Dog, please concentrate on this: "Some of these bands became progressive rock bands themselves others did not." In  my opinion The Doors was a band that sounded embryonal progressive but not in the way as The Moody Blues, Procol Harum, The Nice and King Crimson were. Personally I woudl rather categorise The Doors as 'eclectic rock' but that's not available at Prog Archives. By the way, excellent ironical sheepish alternative LOL !


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 01 2007 at 18:11
Ah, well I presumed that because he appeared on stage and sang "Fire" they'd be friends.  I guess they weren't, but we don't know really, as both are unfortunately not around.
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