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The T
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Posted: March 18 2007 at 20:03 | ||
That fake accent is probably the worst thing to ever happen to prog-music since Paris Hilton sung in the last Kayo Dot release...wait.... anyway, that thing is so phony, so fake, so INSULTING. And not to mention the atrocious "funny photograph" of the three members wearing fake moustaches and wigs...Man! Atrocious....
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Bj-1
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Posted: March 18 2007 at 19:17 | ||
Dodo, followed by Abacab.
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RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on!
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mystic fred
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 13 2006 Location: Londinium Status: Offline Points: 4252 |
Posted: March 18 2007 at 07:22 | ||
"Dodo " is a good song - imagine how PG would handle it!
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Snow Dog
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Posted: March 18 2007 at 07:20 | ||
I prefer Invisible Touch actually. And Genesis is also alittle better than Abacab.
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richardh
Prog Reviewer Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Online Points: 26171 |
Posted: March 18 2007 at 06:02 | ||
3 people have voted for 'Who Dunnit'
I don't mind Illegal Alien.At least it goes along at a nice pace.Collins fake South American accent is the only bad thing about it IMO.
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Moogtron III
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 26 2005 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 10616 |
Posted: March 18 2007 at 04:12 | ||
I'm going to use Erik's way of answering several posts in one post:
Zappa88: Hard to believe, I understand that, but yes, there are people who like Whodunnit, and I happen to be one of them. It's original, and somehow the song seems to be working... for a small group of people, and the rest of the Genesis afficionados hate it. Maybe it's Genesis' most controversial song. Although, it's only controversial if there's some sort of 50%-50% balance. In the case of Whodunnit, 95% seems to hate it, and 5% seems to love it
BastilleDude: Yes, I'm also glad that Abacab has its fair share of fans!
TheT: For me Abacab is the last of the really good albums, so I'm with you with the weaker albums, only that it starts with me with Genesis, the yellow eponymous album, so for me the weaker albums start one studio album later than with you. I understand that Abacab is a disappointment for many people. On the other hand: I think this album, even if it sounds very different from the old stuff, still retains the old Genesis magic, and in this thread I can see that there are quite some people who like Abacab as well. Edited by Moogtron III - March 18 2007 at 04:14 |
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The T
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Posted: March 18 2007 at 00:43 | ||
Abacab is really the start of the weak era in Genesis, though is not a bad album, just not a GREAT album like Genesis released up until then... I think they got back on track (at least on ABACAB track) in We can't dance, but the two albums in between these two are just.......Well, the best track is "Dodo" and we could also mention "Abacab" and a couple more. The main problem with the album is that it contains Genesis' second-worst song ever, "Who Dunnit" ...an atrocity that has the worst lyrics in the band's career, but that, incredibly (and I MEAN the "incredibly" part) is not musically as HORRENDOUS as "Illegal Alien" from GENESIS. Well, "Who Dunnit" takes a couple of good points from the album... But other than that sorry excuse for a song, the album is enjoyable. As are almost ALL Genesis' albums other than INVISIBLE TOUCH (Yes, even GENESIS would be decent but... Illegal Alien...Man!)...
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Atavachron
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Posted: March 18 2007 at 00:15 | ||
One of the best recorded and most elegant pop records of the 80s.. the title cut is my favorite.
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Posted: March 17 2007 at 22:51 | ||
It's rather strange to see an "alternative" group covering a supposedly "passe" Genesis song. I see Abacab as being another tune that would work well being covered by a guitar based band.
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Bastille Dude
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Posted: March 17 2007 at 20:47 | ||
I've loved Abacab since it came out, It doesn't really have any bad songs on it IMO. I voted for Keep It Dark since no one else has, I'm glad to see Abacab getting the respect it deserves.
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DEATH TO FALSE PROG!
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richardh
Prog Reviewer Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Online Points: 26171 |
Posted: March 17 2007 at 19:01 | ||
Dodo ..although the live version on Three Sides Live is much better than the studio version IMO.
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Chris H
Prog Reviewer Joined: October 08 2006 Location: Charlotte, NC Status: Offline Points: 8191 |
Posted: March 17 2007 at 18:29 | ||
I went for No Reply At All.
People actually like Who Dunnit?
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Beauty will save the world.
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Moogtron III
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 26 2005 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 10616 |
Posted: March 17 2007 at 18:22 | ||
The drum sound dated? Yeah, probably, but I seldom hear those things. I'm a bit of a timeless person, I suppose .
But we agree on the most important stuff. Mama is very good, Collins should drum more, and become more progressive .
Anything She Does is the worst song on the album. Invisible Touch: the live videoclip is the most programmed thing I ever saw I still like most of the album, though I musn't listen to it too much.
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salmacis
Forum Senior Member Content Addition Joined: April 10 2005 Status: Offline Points: 3928 |
Posted: March 17 2007 at 18:08 | ||
Sorry to say I agree about Collins- he simply doesn't put himself out in the drum department on most of their post Duke output. It's those syn drums (and the typically 80s production effects) which is perhaps my biggest issue with Invisible Touch- the title track and Anything She Does aside (which I personally hate), I can tolerate and even enjoy most of the rest of it. The sounds used are quite dated now though, imho.
Mama is terrific though- one of their best 80s tracks, imho.
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Moogtron III
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 26 2005 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 10616 |
Posted: March 17 2007 at 17:10 | ||
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Moogtron III
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 26 2005 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 10616 |
Posted: March 17 2007 at 17:03 | ||
It's like with olives. You either love them or hate them. No middle ground Edited by Moogtron III - March 17 2007 at 17:03 |
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Blacksword
Prog Reviewer Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
Posted: March 17 2007 at 12:23 | ||
Yeah Duchess is a great song too; simple but full of feeling. Genesis were one of few prog bands who could write simple songs that 'worked' alongside their more complex offerings. 'Afterglow' and 'Undertow' spring to mind, as do 'Timetable' and 'Chamber of 32 Doors' The drum machine was originally just a 'writing tool' that Banks was keen on using, but with all the new wave stuff going on around them, and the increased use of electronics in pop they thought it a good idea to include it in some songs. In all fairness they didn't use it excessively, and it works very well on Mama. This track seems to divide people, but I like it's cold, atmospheric simplicity. It was in the charts at about the same time that I first heard 'Dance on a Volcano' on the Radio 1 Friday rock show. I was hooked on Genesis from that point, but only really got to grips with a few of their 80's songs. I agree about Phils drumming taking a nosedive after Duke. Tragic! When you listen to his performances on Los Endos, In that Quiet Earth, Dukes End etc, it seems unbelievable he would want to simplify things to the extent that he did. It wasn't just style it was his distinctive sound too. Using synth drums on Invisible ouch was a bad move. It was a homogenised drum sound, and could have been anyone playing. Oh well, at least we have all those brilliant albums recorded between 1970 and 1980 to indulge in.. |
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Cristi
Special Collaborator Crossover / Prog Metal Teams Joined: July 27 2006 Location: wonderland Status: Offline Points: 41339 |
Posted: March 17 2007 at 11:15 | ||
Three votes for Who Dunnit. I don't get it.
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Moogtron III
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 26 2005 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 10616 |
Posted: March 17 2007 at 10:54 | ||
Okay, it's time to speak out for myself. I like all of the songs of the album. In terms of composition, I think Abacab, Me And Sarah Jane and Keep It Dark are the best songs.
But apart from that, believe it or not, I have a soft spot for the last three songs on the album: Man On The Corner, Like It Or Not and Put Another Record On. They have a sort of intimacy and melancholical feel that is typical for late seventies, early eighties Genesis.
But like you, Snow, I'll go this time with one of the most underrated Genesis songs: Whodunnit!
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Moogtron III
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 26 2005 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 10616 |
Posted: March 17 2007 at 10:48 | ||
Personally, I do think they have a sort of unified sound on the album, but on the other hand, the songs are all very different, I agree. It's more fragmentary than most of their other albums. I do wonder how that comes.
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