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King Crimson776 
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Posted: January 06 2008 at 21:49 |
^ SGM, but who cares. Smackheads or not, Miles and Trane were brilliant mucisians. Bill Evans  maybe he should have tried a little smack. 
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Posted: January 06 2008 at 16:35 |
^I don't think Miles or Coltrane were geniuses - smackheads, yes, geniuses, not really. Now Lennie Tristano - or even Bill Evans on the other hand... who were we originally talking about? 
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King Crimson776
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Posted: January 04 2008 at 02:55 |
Look, I don't mind people liking the band but please people, use the term genius sparingly. I wouldn't even call King Crimson geniuses. Miles Davis and John Coltrane might be geniuses. Stravinsky and Beethoven, I'm pretty sure were geniuses (though I like the music of Miles and Trane better). The point is, listen to SGM, they have some funky instrumentation, but genius is so far out of the question it's not even funny... actually it kind of is. 
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Posted: December 31 2007 at 20:30 |
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Does anyone know where I can hear Old Grey Heron of Distinction without having to go to a concert? I looked on youtube, and only half of the song is there. OGH is the new song by SGM, btw, based on the death of Dan's father. It sounds amazing (from what I've heard!!!).
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Posted: December 31 2007 at 00:35 |
Sleepytime Gorilla Museum are one of my favorite newer bands. Although i guess they really can't be considered that new anymore.
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Posted: December 30 2007 at 20:57 |
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My favorite band right now... well, after King Crimson... and old Yes... still, pretty high!
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Posted: December 30 2007 at 06:59 |
 reality wrote:
1800iareyay wrote:
Who are the four? |
Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Wagner.  Musical genius = capacity of intellect.
In reletive terms these four are compared with Albert Einstein or Sir Issac Newton (very very rare).
Are SGM comparable in relative terms to have the intellectual capacity of Albert Einstein or Bach? I know a silly question but it is a silly thread.
In recent years there has been speculation that there is a fifth. A young man has been discovered in I believe the United States who has written five complete symphonies before the age of twelve. He has been recognized for his ability to "multi channel", that is to play five or so melodys in his head at the same time (Mozart could do seven). Whether this kid pans out I do not know, but so far nobody has seen this early potential for near two hundred years.
Genius is an overused word and usually used to promote people who do not meet the standard of the actual meaning. With that being said beyond the objective four masters a "learned" subjective speculation can be applied to others such as Mendelssohn or Saint-Sans but not to SGM or Frank Zappa.
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Looks like these experts have confined their area of study to the German-speaking part of the world. Kinda understandable - but it just shows how incomplete such conclusions must be.Â
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Posted: December 30 2007 at 06:42 |
reality wrote:
docsolar wrote:
I really like SGM, from what I've heard...I haven't listened to the whole album "Of Natural History" yet, but I am acquiring it now, and should be listening in the next 2-3 days.
And as for classical music, it's largely the result of study, whereas rock music tends to be the result of expression and emotion, and I enjoy both disciplines. I think when both disciplines combine, it creates perfect music, and prog fits that bill often.
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Both disciplines have combined? Where is that? Coming from the classical side prog is purely Pop music.
Anyway there are certifiable ways to ascertain a relative form of musical genius. Music theorists along with musicologists and other historians have named only four in the past five hundred years (and none of them have come from this century so far), so to say SGM are musical geniuses is a bit of a stretch.
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As we're only seven years into this century that's not too surprising  .
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Posted: December 29 2007 at 22:55 |
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I don't know about genius... but certainly "brilliant". Zappa I truly believe to be a genius, however. He is my all-time biggest hero.
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Posted: December 29 2007 at 03:24 |
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I'd say they're geniuses when it comes to Avant-garde music, like Erik Satie only disturbed.
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Posted: December 28 2007 at 18:25 |
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No, just a creative band.
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Posted: December 28 2007 at 18:00 |
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The museum is absolutely incredible. I'm absolutely hooked. Plus I'm absolutely in love with Carla Kihlstedt.
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Posted: August 13 2007 at 08:12 |
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Wagner is awesome. Also, some musicologists are now beginning to recognize early composer Josquin du Prez as on the same level as Bach and Beethoven.
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Posted: August 13 2007 at 03:11 |
Exactly. Being unique and not following a trend, and just doing what you love to do....and doing it well...those are the bands that should be respected the most. SGM are unmatched in their style, which is so hard these days considering that almost every band, even prog bands, can be compared or categorized with another band. But I can't think of anything that's too much like Sleepytime at all. Plus their music just kicks ass, what can I say I think its chaotic, cerebral, schizophrenic, hard-hitting music. Genius status is reached on this end. -SS
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Posted: August 12 2007 at 14:12 |
There's no special commitee or rulebook that determines what's genius or not. Bach, Wagner or any classical composer never took an intelligence-test, so we can only judge them by their works. SGM have an unique style, combining unique instruments with songwriting that defies any musical theories taught at schools. Plus it's perfectly executed imo. Any band this original is considered genius in my book.
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Posted: August 09 2007 at 12:37 |
Well certainly I wasn't trying to imply they are those kind of geniuses (ex: Mozart) but in the sense that TR!P explained, dont be that picky Reality with the subject. Maybe i should've called it Sleepytime Gorilla Museum appreciation thread. 
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Posted: August 09 2007 at 11:05 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
Yes, but did you expect this kind of Spanish Inquisition? |
NO ONE EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!
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Posted: August 08 2007 at 16:07 |
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great band but not geniuses if crazy means genius then yes...
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Posted: August 08 2007 at 06:35 |
i tottaly agree with the people saying SGM are not genius in the traditional sense of genius,
to me, Da Vinci would qualify in the traditional sense of the word
however, i still think SGM can be labeld 'genius' ... just not in the traditional sense,
these men and woman in the band are modern day genius's, ill admit, this label of "modern day genius" is no where as near special as the traditional sence of the word, however it still holds some power
and id pigeon hole them into being "modern day musical geniusus" , which i guess is fine because were not talking about these peoples I.Q.'s were talking about theyer music
these people are genius's at what they do, at the music they make, at crafting they'er particular sound
ill admit i throw around the word genius alot, and as i said, it doesnt mean as much as it should do, but its still meant as a high complement to a person or band who you hold highly and apprieciate
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Posted: August 07 2007 at 21:04 |
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Kind of. Very impressive music (Glorious times, the one I have), though itcould be better... But very very impressive... Now this is "avant" music I I can see some good qualities in....
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