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Minimalist777 
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Joined: June 19 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 293 |
 Posted: August 07 2007 at 14:58 |
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They and TMV are definetly on top of the genre right now. I love their new album and they put on a fantastic live show!
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reality
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Joined: March 29 2006 Status: Offline Points: 318 |
Posted: August 07 2007 at 14:39 |
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Let me quote myself "Musical genius = capacity of intellect". Artistic, science or anything else. Based on Gardener's theory of multiple intelligence (when it is properly understood) it is very proper to use a correlation to capacity of a scientific genius to a musical genius as "art" has the same need of accelerated brain function as creating the theory of relativity. Genius is not the product produced but the ability of the mind, the capacity of intellect wherever that function is centered. Music is a process of the brain just like physics, both are scientifically regulated and both rely on the same wellspring of resources, it are these resources and the availability of them that reflect genius.
Do some research on Wagner and you will find giant contributions to the field of music and art. Yes he was a bigot as was popular in a lot of circles in Germany but his capacity for intellect was immense and he used it well. If you would rather listen to SGM go right ahead, not everybody has to listen to Wagner. But as I say in the same breath, SGM's contribution to the musical landscape will be easily forgotten, while the institutions built upon Wagner's genius will live on as long as this world lasts. And yes I find a comparison of Bach and SGM as unequivocally, undeniably, Indisputably...just plain silly. By the way I like SGM, I am just being realistic. |
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Proletariat
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Joined: March 30 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1882 |
Posted: August 07 2007 at 13:03 |
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SGM, not so much, but I think that saying Zappa wasn't a genius is stupid, after all Zappa and Zorn are the two Z's of modern musical genius, they may not be the same tipe as Einstien, they are the artistic kind.
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who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob
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Equality 7-2521
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Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15783 |
Posted: August 07 2007 at 12:59 |
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You find comparing SGM to Bach silly. Personally though I would gladly take SGM over Wagner. And if we're taking genius as an absolute term as you are, I find it absolutely ridiculous to compare a genius like Newton to Mozart. It's best to just take genius to be relative. When we use it we're not bringing up outlandish compairsons between everything genius is used to describe. We mean it in a local sense.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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reality
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Joined: March 29 2006 Status: Offline Points: 318 |
Posted: August 07 2007 at 12:48 |
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Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Wagner. Musical genius = capacity of intellect. In reletive terms these four are compared with Albert Einstein or Sir Issac Newton (very very rare). Are SGM comparable in relative terms to have the intellectual capacity of Albert Einstein or Bach? I know a silly question but it is a silly thread. In recent years there has been speculation that there is a fifth. A young man has been discovered in I believe the United States who has written five complete symphonies before the age of twelve. He has been recognized for his ability to "multi channel", that is to play five or so melodys in his head at the same time (Mozart could do seven). Whether this kid pans out I do not know, but so far nobody has seen this early potential for near two hundred years. Genius is an overused word and usually used to promote people who do not meet the standard of the actual meaning. With that being said beyond the objective four masters a "learned" subjective speculation can be applied to others such as Mendelssohn or Saint-Sans but not to SGM or Frank Zappa. |
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SoundsofSeasons
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Joined: March 08 2007 Location: Arizona -- USA Status: Offline Points: 221 |
Posted: August 06 2007 at 00:01 |
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Mmmmaybe probably possibly if not sometimes only if on Wednesday, than definitely on the first of chocolate.
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1 Chronicles 13:7-9
Then David and all Israel played music before God with all their might, with singing, on harps, on stringed instruments, on tambourines, on cymbals, and with trumpets. |
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LeInsomniac
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Joined: December 22 2006 Location: Portugal Status: Offline Points: 315 |
Posted: August 05 2007 at 12:15 |
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Well, I don't know about that but I too heard that music theorist and musicologists as you put it, said that Frank Zappa was the musical genius from the 20th century as well the best composer of it. No doubt about is genius here, if seen in a jazz point of view or prog point of view.
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 Happy Family One Hand Clap, Four Went On But None Came Back |
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1800iareyay
Prog Reviewer
Joined: November 18 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2492 |
Posted: August 05 2007 at 09:45 |
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Who are the four?
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reality
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Joined: March 29 2006 Status: Offline Points: 318 |
Posted: August 04 2007 at 11:59 |
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Both disciplines have combined? Where is that? Coming from the classical side prog is purely Pop music. Anyway there are certifiable ways to ascertain a relative form of musical genius. Music theorists along with musicologists and other historians have named only four in the past five hundred years (and none of them have come from this century so far), so to say SGM are musical geniuses is a bit of a stretch. |
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1800iareyay
Prog Reviewer
Joined: November 18 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2492 |
Posted: August 03 2007 at 20:17 |
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I do believe SGM are geniuses. They use regular instrumetns as well as cutom devices, and just look at Of Natural History for a crytpic and unique take on concept albums (it outlines the De-Evolution theory of the original SGM made of intellectuals.) Sure, people like Zappa, Fripp, Zorn, and Patton are singular in their genius, but this is a band that splits the creative force of those greats amongst several. I can't wait to see where they go next, and I want to see them live SO badly.
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LeInsomniac
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Joined: December 22 2006 Location: Portugal Status: Offline Points: 315 |
Posted: August 03 2007 at 20:09 |
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C'mon, you come here and you just say that? At least tell us why?  |
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Happy Family One Hand Clap, Four Went On But None Came Back |
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Wishbone Ash
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Joined: June 16 2007 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 24 |
Posted: August 03 2007 at 15:52 |
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Geniuses? I don't think so
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Elizabeth?
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thellama73
Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 29 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 8368 |
Posted: August 03 2007 at 11:32 |
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SG are probably my favorite modern prog band. I have seen them live three times and they never cease to amaze. I can't ait to see what they do next. I hope they have a long prosperous existence.
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Yorkie X
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Joined: July 04 2007 Status: Offline Points: 1049 |
Posted: August 03 2007 at 11:27 |
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They seem to be fascinating good to have bands like this that come along and push certain artistic boundaries because that's progress , I`m not a fan but I recognise the importance of such creativity never the less
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LeInsomniac
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Joined: December 22 2006 Location: Portugal Status: Offline Points: 315 |
Posted: August 02 2007 at 21:50 |
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glad to see that there are a lot of people interested in SGM at least I know that this group is getting enough interest, but not enough...not enough...shame
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Happy Family One Hand Clap, Four Went On But None Came Back |
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TR!P
Forum Groupie 
Joined: December 21 2006 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 69 |
Posted: July 11 2007 at 07:53 |
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i first got into SGM when my friend gave me Of Natural History, and he was really scared that id hate it/get turned off by them, or not be able to apprieciate them first hand off
but it was the exact opposite, from the moment i pressed play till the end of the album i loved every bit of it
i would defo go as far as saying them music is genius
i jsut love the overall feeling of SGM, they seem so dedicated to it all, and really put so much effort into everything, even they'er physical albums packaging is great, and the artwork all over it and the themes running through them
the fact that they make most the instruments and use them to a level so elite'ly is another factor showing they'er talent
i must say, to me personly Of Natural History is defo they'er best work
then they'er first album which has some true gems, but i wish it didnt have those extra 3 tracks after Sunflower, because to me sunflower would be such a perfect ending track
i recently enough got In Glorious times, and sadly so far im not too much a fan of it, its slowly growing, but not to the extremes as the others have in the past, so far the pupper reinactment (prob wrong name) is my fav. id say
great great band
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SolariS
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Joined: October 27 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 891 |
Posted: July 10 2007 at 00:02 |
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They are certainly masters of live performance. They put on one of the most fun shows i've been to.
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Bj-1
Special Collaborator 
Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 04 2005 Location: No(r)Way Status: Offline Points: 31157 |
Posted: July 09 2007 at 19:36 |
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They're one of my favorite avant-prog bands besides Mr Bungle, Samla Mammas Manna and Zappa.
Of Natural History is their best, but both their debut and their newest one are excellent!
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RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on!
EXERIOR Experimental tech/death/progmetal from Norway! |
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LeInsomniac
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Joined: December 22 2006 Location: Portugal Status: Offline Points: 315 |
Posted: July 09 2007 at 09:10 |
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The problem is that their music is not commercial so until they start getting a big name and having means to go to other places more often i believe we'll have to wait some more 6 years and four albums. That's my prediction at least
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Happy Family One Hand Clap, Four Went On But None Came Back |
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el böthy
Prog Reviewer
Joined: April 27 2005 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 6336 |
Posted: July 08 2007 at 21:40 |
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Lucky b*****d. Its impossible they´ll ever get to come to Argentina...  |
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"You want me to play what, Robert?"
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