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Odd24
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Posted: August 29 2005 at 10:34 |
Rob The Plant wrote:
Hangedman wrote:
"Genesis" is a great album, (except illegal alien taking it too hard and its gonna get better) just not prog, abacab also has its merits. I cant listen to we cant dacne, and have never heard invisible touch. GREAT pop rock.
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I would put it more like "Genesis" is a good album Until Illegal Alien.
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It seems like I am the only one on earth that really likes Illegal alien (8/10).
I do not like Second home by the sea (5/10). And I love Taking it all too hard (10/10).
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Right down the line
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BiGi
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Joined: June 01 2005
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Posted: August 29 2005 at 11:02 |
Odd24 wrote:
It seems like I am the only one on earth that really likes Illegal alien (8/10).
| You're not alone, man! I dig it too...I find it pretty funny!
Odd24 wrote:
I do not like Second home by the sea (5/10).
| Well, it's a much heavier piece to digest...anyway it's my second best pick on that album after Mama.
Odd24 wrote:
And I love Taking it all too hard (10/10). | Man, how I DISAGREE I rate it the worst Genesis track ever, rivaled just by Hold on my heart and Throwing it all away...they just give no emotions to me, nor they are funny or weird (as I stated on the "Collins ballads" thread)
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A flower?
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Sean Trane
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Joined: April 29 2004
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Posted: August 29 2005 at 11:29 |
Ricochet wrote:
BiGi wrote:
Oh, for crying out loud! AGAIN???
or maybe...STILL?
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Yes,this subject was discussed so many times.I remember myself answering or discussing or bringing up this subject about seven times. |
if you guys read the date on the first posts , you will see that someone dug this thread out of the sacred wisdom well!
Better doing that, than starting yet another debate/thread. This one dates from almost six months ago!
This means that the man is using the searcg button on the top right hand corner!
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let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword
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Odd24
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Posted: August 29 2005 at 12:54 |
Hangedman wrote:
"Genesis" is a great album, (except illegal alien taking it too hard and its gonna get better)
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I will show my ratings for the entire album:
1. Mama (10/10) 2. That's all (10/10) 3. Home by the sea (9/10) 4. Second home by the sea (5/10) 5. Illegal alien (8/10) 6. Taking it all too hard (10/10) 7. Just a job to do (6/10) 8. Silver rainbow (9/10) 9. It's gonna get better (5/10, 7/10 for the chorus, the rest is crap, s*cks and ruins the entire song)
It's nice to see the differences and the similarities. I think the most crappy Genesis' ballads are on Duke and Abacab. I do not like Man on the corner and Alone again.
Edited by Odd24
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Right down the line
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el böthy
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Joined: April 27 2005
Location: Argentina
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Posted: August 29 2005 at 13:44 |
Phil Collins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahhaha
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"You want me to play what, Robert?"
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Proglover
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Posted: August 29 2005 at 15:24 |
This infact has nothing to do with Phil Collins or Tony Banks or the departure of Peter Banks...so on and so forth.....
What destroyed genesis????????????
Well if by that you mean what turned Genesis away from composiing progressive rock music, then lets attack it from that angle. I've said it once, good music outweighs genre affiliation. Genesis' turn to pop music does not in itself make it bad. Rather it is the quality of the music that matters. Not all progressive music is good music.....not all classical music is good music, not all jazz is good music. That being said, not all pop music is bad music.
I feel many progfans association of pop music with decadence is truly unfair. The horrible criticism that Phil Collin receives is completely unjust. The band as a whole decided to change direction. Phil Collins did not have some evil foothold over the band and any suggestion of that is just simply unfair.
And as far as Peter Gabriel's departure.....he also changed his style in the 80s......Gabriel began writing and singing pop music as well. If he had stayed "true" and remained on the progressive rock trail then I could see your point. But Selling out is such a vague term anyway.
Phil Collins once said..."Prog rock was something Genesis DID but that's not all Genesis IS"......that pretty much says it all. ....we have somehow managed to confine these artists in a box.....and it's not right.
BUT...since you asked.....WHAT CAUSED THE FALL OF PROG ROCK????
- The crumbling social and moral frabic of society
- The declining respect and value towards music and other arts
- Music's fall from art to pure entertainment
- The corrupt music industry
- Dwindling attention spans
- Our neglect of Nature
- Overwhelming immersion into technology
- Capitalism
- Big Business
- .....ummm did I mention the CORRUPT MUSIC INDUSTRY
- Music became product and commodity
- Lack of musical education and understanding
- Huge Cultural Shifts
- Human values and morals change
- Hollywood
- The Media
- The 1980s
- Punk, New Wave, and Disco
- The crumbling hopes and dreams of the 1960s and 1970s
- ......ummmm did I mention the UNFAIR AND UNJUST MUSIC INDUSTRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Money...changes in our economy
So as you can see.....it has very little to do with Phil Collins or Tony Banks, or Peter Gabriel's departure............their fault perhaps, if any at all is......going with the tide....they should have fought back.....but the music business is hard and perhaps they valued eating and paying bills over musical integrity.
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BiGi
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Posted: August 30 2005 at 03:25 |
Odd24 wrote:
I will show my ratings for the entire album:
1. Mama (10/10) 2. That's all (10/10) 3. Home by the sea (9/10) 4. Second home by the sea (5/10) 5. Illegal alien (8/10) 6. Taking it all too hard (10/10) 7. Just a job to do (6/10) 8. Silver rainbow (9/10) 9. It's gonna get better (5/10, 7/10 for the chorus, the rest is crap, s*cks and ruins the entire song) | Great! IMHO Silver Rainbow is one of the most underrated Genesis songs! My ratings would go like this anyway: 1. Mama (10/10) 2. That's all (7/10) - it's ok, but I would not rate it as a masterpiece 3. Home by the sea (9/10) 4. Second home by the sea (9/10) 5. Illegal alien (7/10) 6. Taking it all too hard (5/10) 7. Just a job to do (7/10) - I find really catchy 8. Silver rainbow (8/10) 9. It's gonna get better (7/10) Naturally 10 is to be assumed on a per-album rating...not overall
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A flower?
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Matti
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Joined: April 15 2005
Location: Finland
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Posted: August 30 2005 at 04:03 |
James Lee wrote:
I think Patrick Bateman said it best. |
(a joke, right?) (P.B.: the massmurderer of American Psycho who praised new pop-Genesis and said they were earlier just arty farty crap - while excercising with two whores. Remember, Ivan? )
Edited by Matti
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Ricochet
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Joined: February 27 2005
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Posted: August 30 2005 at 04:05 |
Phil Collins.Period.
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Doktor Dyper
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Posted: August 30 2005 at 04:49 |
I dont know really.... I think Phil definitely was responsible for the direction that Genesis took in the 80s but i'm not too crazy about the direction Peter Gabriel took eitherin the 80s........ Hackett remained the only musician whose music I have liked through the ages........ nothing on the early Genesis stuff but decent all the same.
The only thing I know ( & no one here will disagree) is that the demise of Genesis is THE biggest tragedy of prog..... esp since now when i say i like Genesis, people wrinkle up their noses & go "Ugh..... u mean the Invisible Touch band
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Lateralus_66
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Posted: August 30 2005 at 17:07 |
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Posted: August 30 2005 at 21:02 |
i enyoy both side of genesis!!!!!!
WHY because i can listen phill and genesis songs with my wife with my mother and sister without getting that weard look on the face when genesis start doing they dark weard ambient sound !!!!! i leave to my uncle and his friends who are big prog fans!!! i enyoy both worlds!!!
only genesis can do that to me
so late floyd i can listen with my mother and my wife
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