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    Posted: November 17 2007 at 09:50
I love these three similar bands.
 
And you?


Edited by Ely78 - November 17 2007 at 09:51
When the love becomes poetry, distant from the eyes

(Quando l'Amore Diventa poesia/ Lontano Dagli occhi [Aphrodite's Child)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 17 2007 at 10:48
Originally posted by Ely78 Ely78 wrote:

I love these three similar bands.

And you?


I suspect there are many 30-40 somethings here who took the path of

ELO -> 10CC -> Supertramp -> Magma (or something like that) in their formative years. All three of them are great bands, and I think sometimes their commercial success caused their standing to suffer with some proglodytes.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 17 2007 at 12:46
Originally posted by ClemofNazareth ClemofNazareth wrote:

Originally posted by Ely78 Ely78 wrote:

I love these three similar bands.
 

And you?


I suspect there are many 30-40 somethings here who took the path of

ELO -> 10CC -> Supertramp -> Magma (or something like that) in their formative years. All three of them are great bands, and I think sometimes their commercial success caused their standing to suffer with some proglodytes.
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 17 2007 at 12:49
Pretty mediocre...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 17 2007 at 12:56
Originally posted by Mandrakeroot Mandrakeroot wrote:

Originally posted by ClemofNazareth ClemofNazareth wrote:

Originally posted by Ely78 Ely78 wrote:

I love these three similar bands.
 

And you?


I suspect there are many 30-40 somethings here who took the path of

ELO -> 10CC -> Supertramp -> Magma (or something like that) in their formative years. All three of them are great bands, and I think sometimes their commercial success caused their standing to suffer with some proglodytes.
 
in my opinion these three bands have the same style!
 
If you don't please these bands I don't see because it is necessary to insult the persons for the proper ideas! 


granted I don't know 10CC that well...

but Supertramp and ELO do NOT have the same style... have never heard it...

but that is personal opinion...

Mandy.. .watch the translator there if you are trying to make points...  no one has insulted anyone here or has any reason TO be insulted.. and bringing  it up.. in whatever you are trying to say is bound to leave people scratching their heads. Myself included....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 17 2007 at 12:57
Andrea, Bob wasn't insulting you, on the contrary! He said those three bands are very good. However, I don't really see them as having the same style.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 17 2007 at 15:05
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by Mandrakeroot Mandrakeroot wrote:

Originally posted by ClemofNazareth ClemofNazareth wrote:

Originally posted by Ely78 Ely78 wrote:

I love these three similar bands.
 

And you?


I suspect there are many 30-40 somethings here who took the path of

ELO -> 10CC -> Supertramp -> Magma (or something like that) in their formative years. All three of them are great bands, and I think sometimes their commercial success caused their standing to suffer with some proglodytes.
 
in my opinion these three bands have the same style!
 
If you don't please these bands I don't see because it is necessary to insult the persons for the proper ideas! 


granted I don't know 10CC that well...

but Supertramp and ELO do NOT have the same style... have never heard it...

but that is personal opinion...

 
Is the point of view of Mandrakeroot, Ely78 and Lady In Black (Prog Golden Age Die Hard Fans Team). Because it's true, th difference are great but, final result, these three bands have the same final style. Clear not in all songs. 
 
Sure Supertramp, ELO and 10CC (hey... from today only 10CC are PR... This isn't the correct place for this thread!!!) have the same fans (not all the fans of one is the fans of another). For this fact this thread includes these three bands.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 17 2007 at 22:57
I'm not sure what's similar about these.
 
ELO I hated back in the day, given that they were competing with Yes and ELP.  However Turn To Stone and Evil Woman are excellent tracks.
 
10CC I am less familiar with.  Must say Dreadlock Holiday is first rate, thought obviously not anywhere near prog.
 
Neither of the above is in the same class as Supertramp.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 17 2007 at 23:09
Originally posted by Ghost Rider Ghost Rider wrote:

Andrea, Bob wasn't insulting you, on the contrary! He said those three bands are very good. However, I don't really see them as having the same style.


My point was that, at least where I grew up in the 70s, many kids got into ELO because they were popular, their label promoted them heavily, and they had songs on the radio with rather simple hooks that appealed to many.

From there some of those same kids got a little more adventurous and checked out 10CC, who were a little more British-sounding and therefore were considered a bit more exotic to us kids from the sticks of Montana.

Even fewer got into Supertramp because they were considered quite weird and foreign-sounding (mostly because of Hodgson's voice).

Obviously some of us worked our way past them and on to even more exotic and progressive music (hence the Magma reference). The point is that for some of us (okay, maybe just me) ELO, 10CC and Supertramp were catalysts to get us to a greater appreciation for the broader progressive music spectrum where we might not have otherwise had is not been for those bands.

On the subject of whether I like/respect those bands - read my reviews. Of 400+ reviews I've only ever given 21 a 5 star rating. Three of those are Supertramp albums.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2007 at 08:10

I can almost agree with Mandy here. All three are great bands of their time and did indeed produce albums that sit comfortably alongside each other. From late 1974 onwards all three bands produced a similar strain of radio-friendly Art-Pop (for want of a better word): exquisitly crafted music, with unusual instrumentation and intelligent lyrics, superbly played and well produced.

If we were to judge their music from that point on I think we would all agree that they were all in that fuzzy grey area between Pop and Prog. However, before then both ELO and Supertramp had produced 100% Prog albums and only moved away from that when American success beckoned (or became less Prog once American success occured). Crisis What Crisis is a different album to Crime of the Century in the same way that  Eldorado and New World Record are different to No Answer and Face The Music.

10cc on the other hand, made complex and clever Pop songs that were influenced by Prog through-out their career, (excpet maybe Hotlegs, which isn't really 10cc), but they were never fully Prog. 

Had Godley and Creme remained with the band and produced Consequences as a 10cc album things may have been different, certainly Consequences would have been improved by the addition of Stewart and Goldman's production and song-writing restraint, which IMO would have limitted the excesses of that ultimately flawed Prog masterpeice, but then we would not have had the Pop-Art-Rock pleasures of L or Freeze Frame.

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Edited by darqdean - November 18 2007 at 08:11


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2007 at 17:04
I love 10cc (particularly Sheet Music), like Supertramp (but I've only heard Crisis? What Crisis and Crime of the Century itself) and like some ELO (Sweet Talking Woman, Roll Over Beethoven in particular).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 19 2007 at 12:02
DARQDEAN: I haven't albums of Godley and Creme. Nevertheless from my searches in Internet I learned that they come more Prog than considerat the 10CC (of which were members). 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 19 2007 at 17:26
I love ELO... Time is THE MASTERPIECE... I think, The Beatles would sound in the same great way in 80s... 
 
I like Supertramp, also, but not enough to give Crime Of The Century a 5 star rating.
 
And, with 10CC... never got much into them... perhaps I should listen to them more, but from what I've heard they are stuck bentween prog and pop in a bad way (unlike Supertramp and ELO, IMO) I mean, the lack of pop hooks and absence of true prog complexity. I like their early albums relatively more... I think they were strongly influenced by Frank Zappa. And yeah, I'm Not In Love is really catchy! Well, maybe I'll fall in love with this band somewhen... but not now.   


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2007 at 05:10
While Supertramp and ELO are excellent rock bands that had a pop edge and were prog (at least for a while), and had both their typical sound, which sound nothing alike
 
 
10CC was a pop band that enjoyed much pastiche like Queen and Sparks. So I'd link 10CC to a poppier Queen (at least in the 70's) than ELO or Supertramp.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2007 at 05:46
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

While Supertramp and ELO are excellent rock bands that had a pop edge and were prog (at least for a while), and had both their typical sound, which sound nothing alike
 
 
10CC was a pop band that enjoyed much pastiche like Queen and Sparks. So I'd link 10CC to a poppier Queen (at least in the 70's) than ELO or Supertramp.
 
 
 
In my vision of prog (that is the vision also of Mandrakeroot and Ely78 because Ely78 and Mandrakeroot have uncovered the Prog thanks to me) 10CC are a good Prog bands. In fact the treatment of the POP elements in 10CC songs produced a good Progresive POP or better Song Songwriter Prog. But yes, in a more general view these three bands are great boundaries (between Rock [POP] and Prog) bands.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 27 2007 at 19:07
I love 10CC and ELO. I adore this type of music!
 
In a certain sense these two bands are a great occasion to pass 40 mins to listen to great music!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2007 at 18:55
dargdean:
 
Brilliantly put!  Bravo!
 
Actually, Supertramp and 10CC were "kissin' cousins," good buddies palling around and being influenced by each other.  The similarities are not an accident.  ELO was on a somewhat different path, though there are similarities in all three bands - certainly at least partly because all three were obviously Beatles-influenced as well.
 
Interesting fact: When Klaatu was asked who their influences were (besides The Beatles), they said, "ELO, Supertramp and 10CC."  No kidding.  So Klaatu also linked those three groups in some way.
 
When the Queen controversy began here at PA (for those who remember!  LOL), I was one who argued strongly for the creation of a new category called "progressive pop," in which they would have more suitably fit (yes, yes, I know they wrote a handful of truly prog songs, and maybe Queen II and NATO are largely prog, but that is only a small minority of their total output).  Into this category I would have put Queen, ELO, 10CC, Supertramp, Klaatu, XTC and perhaps a few others whose music often straddles the line between "pop" and "progressive."  Needless to say, I was voted down, and "prog-related" became the category - a moniker I remain uncomfortable with, since there are any number of bands that could sneak (and some have) under the wire, where they might not have in "progressive pop."
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2007 at 20:38
^ XTC is a fine example of Progressive Pop or Art-Pop - even their early stuff - This Is Pop is such a subversive little song ("If that was Pop I don't want to meet Mum" - Peter Cook).
 
I'll see your XTC and raise you one Sparks - another band that defies description and walked that wobbly line betwix Prog and Pop, from their early Bearsville Art Rock albums, through the Hits period from This Town... to Beat the Clock to the recent return to Art Rock albums of Lil' Beethoven and Hello Young Lovers. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 18 2007 at 08:17
Not a big fan, but selected tracks by all three I can live with. Supertramp probably the best for me. 'Crime of the Century' is a pretty good album.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 19 2007 at 15:14
ELO and 10cc.
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